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there are stories about this that
haven't been told

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me for be is my prayer that everyone in
this room never goes

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by you know someone that

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that does the Hardison for those people

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who this whose Lawson do you communicate

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lawsuit being able to

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fine you collagen help

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weaver firms returns

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arguing it's not

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its non-interest

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it happens and monitors you

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you will become millions

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you know what my therapist's not too
long ago

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asked to me if

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I could in less than a sentence

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destroyed

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what

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board described were label these
experiences

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all I can come up with in the first
thing that came up with and have been

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able to find anything better than

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and is in unfortunate gift in my life

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cited tone

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this not something I asked for achieved
our

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or anything like that so when this was

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when I'm going through experiences that
I am now going to coach

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priest at church and he's looking at me
like boy what is wrong with you

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you know I knew my life was

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was turned into something that I had no
control I became

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change it's it's not easy to do

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tell somebody how you got thrown up that
staircase

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it's not easy to tell somebody that
you're dead

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was bouncing off the ceilings because
the headboard posts or

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jammed into the sheep weekend

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stage we've got black toilets and we've
got thousands of lives

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this is just like you like a fucking
karnal

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I'm getting a little time

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right now

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this is not something I'm sorry discuss

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I don't look forward because once I
start talking about it even just to

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bring you

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back to a moment for a moment I B common
stock with

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in

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you know my mom used to tell me that
good things happen to good people and

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bad things happen to bad people

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and sometimes bad things happen to good
people too

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the Amityville house appears to be quite
peaceful now

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is that no evidence that any strange
occurrences here

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since the lights family fled more than
twenty years ago

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house is not wanted it never was
appointed

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it was a money making good it is

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definitely not folks back home has been
exercised

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was it really ahora was a hoax
perpetrated

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on the world which still remains
mystified by the tales a bizarre

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happenings

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in a quiet house in a comparable Long
Island community I've never introduced

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myself as that person

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the guy from an okay ever you had to be
something completely different

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I was somebody completely different then
went for the most part I still am

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what who were you before Amityville

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who were you I was

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analyst wriggle idk you know went to
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I told mom I was going to when I

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was I was enrolled in school okay and
what did you do instead

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before revealing get intellectual

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happy stuff you okay I don't know you
okay go ahead on your right

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and I kinda need to know a couple things
about you that because I'm not want to

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just sit in

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down and start sharing stories okay i'd
I thought I respect that

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alright so good I kinda need to know
like what's the most dramatic thing

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that's ever happened to you

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the most romantic thing that's ever
happened to me arm

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I think the most romantic thing that's
ever happened to me was moving

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when I was 13 from one country to
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for me and I was pretty scary an
overwhelming I moved here

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United States i right on

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but to for me to sit here knowing that
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moved from one comes

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to another and readjusting and you want
me to sit here and I'm gonna start

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talking about

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possessions annexes and bouncing off his
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is not gonna be these thing for me to do
because I know you're only gonna be able

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to connect with me

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that in in well let me say this to you

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and you're absolutely right I'm not
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did when three that some possibly
understand right are

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I'm in what I do for a living as a
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I have connects with many people in so
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much much many enter and I never okay
always respectful

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what people's life experiences have been
is there someone that you're hoping to

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benefit from

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from doing most I would have to say my
children

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ok I want you can't 1917 hard tough

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have a spoken to you at all about it yes

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have and and and they are concerned

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that's you know someday I get past

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you feel like you have you haven't I'm
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not something that I asked for I didn't
achieve this

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it's not an accomplishment in my life so

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wish to be associated have anything

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this has been following

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my entire life I've been running away
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and it finally caught up to me and I
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ok

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i sat down with my mom and I told her I
said I I have to go

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I left and

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went to go find my own place in the
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you know be the Amityville Horror kid
everywhere that I know people have

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preconceived notions

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me I didn't want to deal with it

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so I would just Wanderley find places
where nobody you mean

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tryin work my way into a community

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alright well

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I was born Daniel Edward quarantine on
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in West Balam Long Island New York

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my father and my mother were high school
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back see incidences they were married
very young

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very family oriented you know the the
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from each other

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it was my world and which

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what I know and my mom and dad

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got divorced I don't know I guess I was

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7 and a halfish when

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the divorce was actually final and

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dad moved out on with his life and and
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Sunday anymore there was this period of
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fit in anymore

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what to do with myself it helped me get

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closer with my mother did actually
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I had assumed a lot of no
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you know I was watchin my brother and my
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and was responsible for the house and
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george was introduced into this yeah I
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a a there was maybe year

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for some you know my mom went out with a
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she like George george was an ex-marine

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recently divorced on a house

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had a carry permit had shoppers

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and family business and bolts

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Corvettes and you know you was very well
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somewhere along the line after my mother
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between georgian my father there was in
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you would met only marry my mother if
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with the name change in the Social
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yeah he was gonna put his name in label
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ultimately his you know that's when I

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just started destroying disguise world

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every opportunity that I walked into

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just do anything

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to get him that we could go back all

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let's put it this way

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I don't think it was the Brady Bunch I
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that at the time for a couple of years
they became familiar with

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but I actually saw these kids and
interacted with them

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in their home I was just I was sorta a
presence

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when I was there I certainly wasn't
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that they were relating to me as a
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how I came to know caffeine George

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I i think that there was some natural
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because this was us it was stepfather
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was was naturally more taciturn more
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but he was always watching he was always
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just as I was putting together a series

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on different aspects of psychic
phenomenon for the station

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Channel 5 News the story about the
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and their experience in 112 Ocean Avenue

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word the Amityville Horror houses it's
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broke in New York Newsday everyone was
trying to get in touch with them

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and it took me a couple of weeks nobody
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a press conference they basically went
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I finally managed to leave messages for
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George Lutz called me and asked me if I
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told them I have good contacts

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in the field parapsychology so I did

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go out and meet with George Lutz and his

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family on surveying firm at the time we
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to his mother in laws house

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to meet cathy his wife and the three
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and over the course of a five-hour
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their story they decided

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that I was someone that they could trust
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the exclusive on the story

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so that's how it all started

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on November 13th 1974

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the house at 112 Ocean Avenue Amityville

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became the site of a notorious mass
murder

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23-year-old Ronald to fail junior shot
to death his father

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mother two brothers and two sisters with
a 35 caliber Marlin rifle

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all six victims were discovered by
police face-down in their beds

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apparently unmoved and each murdered
while sleeping

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good

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toxicology reports approved the family
was not

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thread no silencer had been used on the
weapon

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lingering questions surrounding these
murders have remained for nearly forty

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years

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giving way to wild conspiracy theories
on whether or not to fail could have

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committed these crimes alone

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well at first just moving into the house
was fine it's a lovely house

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and we enjoyed moving within a week

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cathy's handed untouched by something
that we discussed

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couldn't explain it was just something
unseen bills or to fly said

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here to and Matt

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coming times cal

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green the lots family purchased the
house

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at the reduced prices eighty thousand
dollars very shortly after moving in

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the family claim to have begun
experiencing mounting paranormal

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phenomena

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cold spots were discovered randomly
throughout the house

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georgian Kathy claim to have witnessed
to red eyes peering in at them from the

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upstairs bedroom window

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jolting sounds with wake the family
during the night

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my son Danny hands work on

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in the window in the sewing room and
they were flat and is

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in just slammed I was was most in such a
way that his hands were actually to form

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they were flat thing going downstairs
and found a calming down

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is pretty much impossible gonna we've
and look at it and then is fine

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it didn't occur to us until much later
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house never really wanted us to leave
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1976 none the subsequent families who
have lived in the house since

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have reported anything usual people we
talked to seem to feel that whatever was

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the motive for this crime

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it had something to do with the family
it's not something that's going to

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return to bother anyone else

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it will be interesting to see

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what Danny feels after all these years
what's also

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I think fascinating is how much

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love what he remembers actually happened
and how much

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in does he think what happened I knew
the child

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I don't know the man and yet Amityville

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is a thread and actually something that
has defined

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he and his siblings for their lives so
I'd like to know how is it impacting

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you wanna see if he's come to terms

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with that this he feels this is Israel
she

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do you mean good what you been up to for
the last thirty years

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been hanging in here for a while ok said
last time I saw you

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you are helping your mother do dishes

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in the kitchen at the San Diego house
you came to San

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you yes one other things about the lots
is that struck me immediately was

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they were not seeking publicity

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they were very very normal they were
young suburban couple

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the three kids were very very nice if
you know any better they were just like

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the couple next door

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I mean when you heard the story it
sounded like they had been visited by

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just about every form a Paris
psychological play in existence

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I offered to put them in touch with
Paris psychologist

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00:16:36,059 --> 00:16:40,419
like marine Warren they accepted that
and basically at that point they said

249
00:16:40,419 --> 00:16:41,029
okay

250
00:16:41,029 --> 00:16:46,029
now on anything we do you can have the
exclusive there are only two conditions

251
00:16:46,029 --> 00:16:49,579
one you could you don't go into the
house by yourself you go in with

252
00:16:49,579 --> 00:16:51,369
reputable Paris psychologist

253
00:16:51,369 --> 00:16:55,439
you know be great if you can get it
whole team up our psychologist in there

254
00:16:55,439 --> 00:16:58,759
so everybody to do their thing and read
the house

255
00:16:58,759 --> 00:17:02,230
0 what was ever in their to we wanted

256
00:17:02,230 --> 00:17:05,600
our Privacy respect is what they asked
me and they definitely wanted the kids

257
00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:06,569
kept down a bit

258
00:17:06,569 --> 00:17:09,600
the family's privacy and you reporting
love

259
00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:13,110
yes okay com like we would

260
00:17:13,110 --> 00:17:16,639
we're gonna go to your schools and take
pictures start interviewing

261
00:17:16,639 --> 00:17:19,959
you anything Danny oh I wish somebody
would have

262
00:17:19,959 --> 00:17:23,389
what happened well but you are a minor
child

263
00:17:23,389 --> 00:17:27,879
and don't forget this very good at
speaking for myself what would you have

264
00:17:27,879 --> 00:17:29,760
said if you could have spoken for
yourself

265
00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:33,029
are spread all told everything that
happened

266
00:17:33,029 --> 00:17:37,730
exactly the way it happened while it is
fresh in my mind as you can possibly be

267
00:17:37,730 --> 00:17:40,980
now it's an interesting statement I mean

268
00:17:40,980 --> 00:17:44,299
how fresh or dim is it your mind

269
00:17:44,299 --> 00:17:47,299
now solve their I wish I could get were

270
00:17:47,299 --> 00:17:52,120
us

271
00:17:52,120 --> 00:17:55,389
said something that has been in my
dreams

272
00:17:55,389 --> 00:17:59,919
tire life Harry was going through

273
00:17:59,919 --> 00:18:03,159
episode while the garage

274
00:18:03,159 --> 00:18:06,779
was on the possession outcall

275
00:18:06,779 --> 00:18:09,940
yeah job was going holistic

276
00:18:09,940 --> 00:18:13,240
and torches to keep on a leash

277
00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:18,029
in pair but it was just long enough for
him to jump over the fence

278
00:18:18,029 --> 00:18:21,490
for I went out there to try to get

279
00:18:21,490 --> 00:18:24,899
from whose

280
00:18:24,899 --> 00:18:28,869
fighting so much I was

281
00:18:28,869 --> 00:18:33,010
fairly strong enough to rolled back over
the fence

282
00:18:33,010 --> 00:18:36,610
but that seems me has been

283
00:18:36,610 --> 00:18:41,629
a reoccurring dream probably five
hundred

284
00:18:41,629 --> 00:18:45,929
time whatever life sometimes I would be
Harry sometimes

285
00:18:45,929 --> 00:18:51,379
Harry would be me sometimes I tried to
kill him sometimes he tried to kill me

286
00:18:51,379 --> 00:18:55,610
times there was nothing wrong with the
garage other times I thought I knew what

287
00:18:55,610 --> 00:18:56,230
was wrong

288
00:18:56,230 --> 00:19:01,119
the garage I mean I wasn't there for a
while

289
00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:05,179
again it's never about dreams about the
emotions

290
00:19:05,179 --> 00:19:11,260
fled it's kind of hard for me to explain
to some people

291
00:19:11,260 --> 00:19:14,950
I would like to think that find a guide

292
00:19:14,950 --> 00:19:19,029
Arctic trying to explain gap which

293
00:19:19,029 --> 00:19:22,740
I don't I could just bring up I had

294
00:19:22,740 --> 00:19:27,669
no knowledge of murder

295
00:19:27,669 --> 00:19:33,049
news I did you know it anything about it
day we showed up to a good

296
00:19:33,049 --> 00:19:36,399
mom or a ticket house its wash

297
00:19:36,399 --> 00:19:40,169
shield page wheaties see it is that your
going

298
00:19:40,169 --> 00:19:43,639
and still talk wanna stay and their

299
00:19:43,639 --> 00:19:47,440
will mom leans into the car is watch
guys

300
00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,529
old family that was murdered

301
00:19:50,529 --> 00:19:53,879
here with and that very same its

302
00:19:53,879 --> 00:19:57,119
asked us she thought that ball Ross

303
00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:01,330
Christmas just kinda liked looking at
everything what was my reaction

304
00:20:01,330 --> 00:20:05,270
Street I don't know that he had so

305
00:20:05,270 --> 00:20:10,059
people murdered seven-years-old really
know what a murderous

306
00:20:10,059 --> 00:20:15,309
what do you recall when you first moved
into the house

307
00:20:15,309 --> 00:20:18,679
that I thought I could like it here I
thought that the doc

308
00:20:18,679 --> 00:20:21,980
was gonna be my hang out on the boat
house and

309
00:20:21,980 --> 00:20:26,419
you know I I was really anxious and
looking forward to

310
00:20:26,419 --> 00:20:30,020
to be I figured it was big enough to
keep George do away from me and

311
00:20:30,020 --> 00:20:31,850
everybody had enough room in

312
00:20:31,850 --> 00:20:35,460
you know this is this is pretty cool

313
00:20:35,460 --> 00:20:38,879
I could work with us

314
00:20:38,879 --> 00:20:45,879
moving and a we go

315
00:20:46,639 --> 00:20:51,580
a this was a self move this was the
family pack to drop factor on boxes if

316
00:20:51,580 --> 00:20:56,119
it breaks it's your fault cuz you look
back box right by the time

317
00:20:56,119 --> 00:21:00,460
we've got Amityville was mid-morning

318
00:21:00,460 --> 00:21:04,779
an 11 something like that my job was

319
00:21:04,779 --> 00:21:08,440
was just to to haul boxes that said

320
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:14,139
I helped back to drop in on one pack
drop and I ran down to the bone yard and

321
00:21:14,139 --> 00:21:17,179
ran up to the top 10 couldn't believe

322
00:21:17,179 --> 00:21:20,849
this is like on the water with Paul kids
in the pool

323
00:21:20,849 --> 00:21:25,099
boat house in I got right inside the
front door

324
00:21:25,099 --> 00:21:28,340
and i'm looking at this picture right
here where you can see straight up the

325
00:21:28,340 --> 00:21:29,220
staircase

326
00:21:29,220 --> 00:21:33,429
ran all the way up to see how far the
house would call when

327
00:21:33,429 --> 00:21:38,429
slight literally twice as big as
anything else we had looked at

328
00:21:38,429 --> 00:21:43,139
I loved it thought it was great soldier
move

329
00:21:43,139 --> 00:21:46,529
I'll maybe a quarter of the way into the
truck

330
00:21:46,529 --> 00:21:49,919
father ratios up

331
00:21:49,919 --> 00:21:53,869
but I song come n

332
00:21:53,869 --> 00:21:58,210
I was in the truck dump on boxes of at
that point a

333
00:21:58,210 --> 00:22:02,559
I wanted to know which was my room cuz I
wanted father rate to come to my room to

334
00:22:02,559 --> 00:22:05,749
good also my wrong so

335
00:22:05,749 --> 00:22:09,669
did your mom just call him over to left
the house

336
00:22:09,669 --> 00:22:13,639
lot of people will do that that's just a
normal occurrence

337
00:22:13,639 --> 00:22:16,940
so when did you start really feeling
that

338
00:22:16,940 --> 00:22:22,409
a sense about ease okay the until the
first two hours being in the house I

339
00:22:22,409 --> 00:22:24,749
mean I was confused with the whole
father Ray

340
00:22:24,749 --> 00:22:28,320
in areas and he's getting this holy
water in the Far Niente page in the

341
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,840
Bible he went in the house around a good
boxes at dropped in

342
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:37,109
you're talking with my mom and and I go
back down get another box but I'm afraid

343
00:22:37,109 --> 00:22:38,159
he's gone

344
00:22:38,159 --> 00:22:41,440
well had you met you had met I didn't
even speak tool

345
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:45,019
mom what if I the rain leaf what's going
on

346
00:22:45,019 --> 00:22:48,090
and she said I don't know but played you
know

347
00:22:48,090 --> 00:22:53,950
he'll be back I will see him on Sunday
subsequently the next box was to go up

348
00:22:53,950 --> 00:22:55,080
to the playroom

349
00:22:55,080 --> 00:23:00,139
and when I went in there there was
problem

350
00:23:00,139 --> 00:23:04,580
she for a five hundred flies

351
00:23:04,580 --> 00:23:07,600
and we're talking this is made December

352
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:08,999
Long Island

353
00:23:08,999 --> 00:23:10,520
yeah I started gallon

354
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,580
mom came running up stairs and she
stopped screaming

355
00:23:13,580 --> 00:23:17,150
nervous it finally started clicking

356
00:23:17,150 --> 00:23:21,040
in her mind I'm not sure what it was why
father Ray just left

357
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:26,730
I would stand there with the newspaper
smashing them on the wall and smashing

358
00:23:26,730 --> 00:23:28,000
them on the window

359
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:32,390
and knowing that in five minutes I just
killed about a hundred flies

360
00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:38,250
I went downstairs tell Mom to have a
calm of to be all proud skilled flies

361
00:23:38,250 --> 00:23:43,910
and the dead flies are gone she would
look at me and say but did you do

362
00:23:43,910 --> 00:23:48,130
you did what

363
00:23:48,130 --> 00:23:53,030
where's the newspaper puts and I just
left a newspaper on the floor

364
00:23:53,030 --> 00:23:56,530
was too dead flies

365
00:23:56,530 --> 00:24:00,360
and

366
00:24:00,360 --> 00:24:07,360
that's when my confusion started when
did you start

367
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,840
feeling sensing any unease

368
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:18,170
or what was the offer and my mother was
is it would could not she was able to

369
00:24:18,170 --> 00:24:18,990
describe

370
00:24:18,990 --> 00:24:22,940
anything if I walked in I said mom what
strong she would tell me immediately

371
00:24:22,940 --> 00:24:24,220
what's going on

372
00:24:24,220 --> 00:24:28,510
and she wouldn't keep things from I'll

373
00:24:28,510 --> 00:24:32,520
and now she's keeping secrets from and I

374
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:36,700
those mom I told we had disagreements
here and

375
00:24:36,700 --> 00:24:42,040
she which given me these bullshit
excuses

376
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:47,140
or not answering passing of that I wanna
know what's going on

377
00:24:47,140 --> 00:24:51,430
the housing to react differently or
people reacted differently

378
00:24:51,430 --> 00:24:56,050
to the house your mother said she had a
feeling

379
00:24:56,050 --> 00:24:59,980
love peace and didn't even want to go
out to do

380
00:24:59,980 --> 00:25:03,120
normal chores and things

381
00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:06,520
george always said he couldn't get warm
and he was

382
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,690
admitted to becoming more aggressive

383
00:25:10,690 --> 00:25:14,440
and then om one of the things that they

384
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,490
there's a whole list of things that they
told me about that I'm

385
00:25:17,490 --> 00:25:21,929
put bullet points here there was subtle
personality changes

386
00:25:21,929 --> 00:25:26,920
in all the family members basically that
olive you were affected you had

387
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:31,370
very short tempers violence was
commonplace

388
00:25:31,370 --> 00:25:35,600
and they said that one point and George
that this

389
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,920
that he and Kathy took wooden spoons

390
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,630
to you and your brother and sister om

391
00:25:42,630 --> 00:25:46,330
and beat them with that one night and or
did you guys around the house

392
00:25:46,330 --> 00:25:49,580
like drill sergeants you recall that

393
00:25:49,580 --> 00:25:52,750
yet while that happens

394
00:25:52,750 --> 00:25:55,850
probably fifty times after that to
solvents

395
00:25:55,850 --> 00:25:59,510
didn't happen work did have before you
moved into the house it happened a

396
00:25:59,510 --> 00:26:02,730
couple times in George's house before we
move to Amityville

397
00:26:02,730 --> 00:26:07,050
do you think because he had no parent
skills and he was only ever

398
00:26:07,050 --> 00:26:11,570
yeah marine that's how we know how to
handle things I said this is going to be

399
00:26:11,570 --> 00:26:12,330
a cakewalk

400
00:26:12,330 --> 00:26:17,260
did you try and protect you from or were
you expecting her to protect you

401
00:26:17,260 --> 00:26:20,350
no actual on my mother to protect

402
00:26:20,350 --> 00:26:24,390
me fun I'm here to protect

403
00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:27,790
her from you I had to

404
00:26:27,790 --> 00:26:32,510
speak to George InSAR and call him
George

405
00:26:32,510 --> 00:26:35,890
call only mister lots or so

406
00:26:35,890 --> 00:26:40,700
you had to call mister lots for sure but
that when he was your stepfather

407
00:26:40,700 --> 00:26:43,830
so to move on

408
00:26:43,830 --> 00:26:47,650
had my father so

409
00:26:47,650 --> 00:26:52,840
you guys were just repulsed by one
another at a molecular

410
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,250
level I don't we can say I one another
because George is in here

411
00:26:56,250 --> 00:27:01,690
but you didn't I'm sorry I can't help
but smile when you say that

412
00:27:01,690 --> 00:27:05,910
why do you think he's here know that
he's

413
00:27:05,910 --> 00:27:09,720
dead now you're happy that he's dead yes
ma'am I

414
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,929
and I'm

415
00:27:12,929 --> 00:27:16,770
and I'm freeman I had nothing to do i'd

416
00:27:16,770 --> 00:27:19,800
attempted him fifty times

417
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:26,800
he tried to kill 'em yeah the

418
00:27:31,710 --> 00:27:38,710
in

419
00:27:39,490 --> 00:27:42,420
six months totaled

420
00:27:42,420 --> 00:27:46,990
story dry art

421
00:27:46,990 --> 00:27:50,890
back years ago yes go

422
00:27:50,890 --> 00:27:54,090
good as you see on a ship stock

423
00:27:54,090 --> 00:28:01,090
of

424
00:28:02,390 --> 00:28:05,320
talking about white stuff where you are
right now

425
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:09,340
like stones pretty complex got that

426
00:28:09,340 --> 00:28:13,410
all small-town charm I've been the UP

427
00:28:13,410 --> 00:28:17,480
yeah I don't know can I say that place a
UPS

428
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,640
the United Parcel Service driver

429
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,980
for better than 15 years in college
point like stone

430
00:28:23,980 --> 00:28:29,810
I know I'm gonna say fifty percent of
the neighborhood on a first name basis

431
00:28:29,810 --> 00:28:35,070
that was one of the reasons I was able
to stick around in this town

432
00:28:35,070 --> 00:28:36,230
after them

433
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:41,100
movies came now everything went public
people know me as Greg

434
00:28:41,100 --> 00:28:44,590
economy is believed people know me as
game why

435
00:28:44,590 --> 00:28:48,590
well because my name was that in this
movie and then my name was

436
00:28:48,590 --> 00:28:53,250
sack that way my name like that that
movie was making sure if I didn't tell

437
00:28:53,250 --> 00:28:54,970
you the story that's they just thought

438
00:28:54,970 --> 00:28:58,669
and the girl downstairs said ticket from
Amityville you and

439
00:28:58,669 --> 00:29:02,270
hates that's weird for you

440
00:29:02,270 --> 00:29:06,179
yeah in the end the they don't know
until I give them the answer

441
00:29:06,179 --> 00:29:10,290
yeah so this would be like a daily
confusion Dane I learned a lot from you

442
00:29:10,290 --> 00:29:12,340
think of yourself as the Amityville

443
00:29:12,340 --> 00:29:16,120
guy when you think private inside
yourself

444
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,370
because I am The Amityville rise I it's
not

445
00:29:19,370 --> 00:29:22,900
that like who you think of yourself as
first thought no ok and Danny

446
00:29:22,900 --> 00:29:26,870
okay okay so it's not your first thought
about you and and you're talking to

447
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:27,600
Danny

448
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:32,770
yeah annual bodyguard right all I do is
walk around protecting that generated

449
00:29:32,770 --> 00:29:36,610
that's right exactly that's what I keep
thinking that you have worked so hard

450
00:29:36,610 --> 00:29:41,640
to be yourself whereas most people just
get to be themselves

451
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:46,630
you know there's a wanna says ProCare

452
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:50,419
would George my stepfather

453
00:29:50,419 --> 00:29:53,490
would introduce himself as the Amica no

454
00:29:53,490 --> 00:29:57,110
he couldn't be more proud have anything
I'm that guy

455
00:29:57,110 --> 00:30:03,380
yeah my name's my storage my family you
all this is all about me

456
00:30:03,380 --> 00:30:10,380
yeah its biggest fuckin asshole you get
over me

457
00:30:10,790 --> 00:30:14,390
did you feel physically threatened
living inside the cells

458
00:30:14,390 --> 00:30:17,410
I gotta be honest with you

459
00:30:17,410 --> 00:30:21,440
to me want to use to get to this point

460
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,030
II I kinda got my kicks out a

461
00:30:25,030 --> 00:30:30,690
for Phil something in my life that how
do you mean

462
00:30:30,690 --> 00:30:33,730
I mean in this distinct

463
00:30:33,730 --> 00:30:39,150
fucked up side of my brain I couldn't
possibly top those with my own cream

464
00:30:39,150 --> 00:30:40,210
match in Asian

465
00:30:40,210 --> 00:30:47,210
well there was bald spots in the house

466
00:30:47,860 --> 00:30:50,930
in hallways rules things like that

467
00:30:50,930 --> 00:30:54,420
while the furnished is she acted

468
00:30:54,420 --> 00:30:57,660
fire Scott half a cord

469
00:30:57,660 --> 00:31:00,730
soap:body for choking itself you know

470
00:31:00,730 --> 00:31:04,930
blankets for war like formal

471
00:31:04,930 --> 00:31:09,860
traps dollars house now weathered

472
00:31:09,860 --> 00:31:13,640
draft walk in the front door the
fireplace

473
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:19,610
to the left the time mister war into the
dining room there's the cage

474
00:31:19,610 --> 00:31:23,020
there would be literally

475
00:31:23,020 --> 00:31:27,060
twenty degrees difference 5

476
00:31:27,060 --> 00:31:31,000
stamps sparkle my gives

477
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,590
with the Alliance head picture

478
00:31:34,590 --> 00:31:37,650
is next to the bathroom a

479
00:31:37,650 --> 00:31:40,810
on the second floor the very shocked or

480
00:31:40,810 --> 00:31:44,250
that platform staircase and

481
00:31:44,250 --> 00:31:47,920
all spots hidden change

482
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:52,540
there was what I observed happens

483
00:31:52,540 --> 00:31:57,170
in the beginning is not something that

484
00:31:57,170 --> 00:32:00,530
just one person saw the entire family
standing there

485
00:32:00,530 --> 00:32:05,160
watching the fuck garage door slam up
and slammed down and slam

486
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,470
up and slammed down and the dog is
fucking himself

487
00:32:08,470 --> 00:32:13,830
so I would go out there with George he
would pick me up and I would do

488
00:32:13,830 --> 00:32:17,460
I would be hanging off one side of the
door and he would be pulling down on the

489
00:32:17,460 --> 00:32:18,710
other side of the door

490
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:22,480
and we'd get in we block everything back
up with the Haus

491
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,570
we're going back into the house

492
00:32:25,570 --> 00:32:28,680
my sister's room was above the pool

493
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,410
in the back yard to the right what did
you see

494
00:32:32,410 --> 00:32:36,640
holes in the wind it would have been
what looked like Inc

495
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,670
cartoon character I love a

496
00:32:39,670 --> 00:32:44,070
a

497
00:32:44,070 --> 00:32:46,490
and angry pegged

498
00:32:46,490 --> 00:32:49,879
with like wolf like teeth

499
00:32:49,879 --> 00:32:52,050
and red eyes

500
00:32:52,050 --> 00:32:57,130
laser beam red eyes

501
00:32:57,130 --> 00:33:01,270
and at that closing the door seeing this
from my sister's room

502
00:33:01,270 --> 00:33:04,300
I ran into the house faster than george
did

503
00:33:04,300 --> 00:33:07,350
mated upstairs to her room and

504
00:33:07,350 --> 00:33:14,350
the rocking chair shit in there back and
George went into a room in share

505
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:21,690
up and he's looking at the chairman is
looking at the legs in you

506
00:33:21,690 --> 00:33:25,800
thing on the floor and there's no
logical explanation why this rocking

507
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:31,390
chair is good doing this for 25

508
00:33:31,390 --> 00:33:36,169
I'd think it was a force that was beyond
my control

509
00:33:36,169 --> 00:33:39,729
I believe that there is a such thing as
evil and I think that it can manifest

510
00:33:39,729 --> 00:33:43,139
itself in any way shape or form that it
chooses

511
00:33:43,139 --> 00:33:46,190
at will and I was a victim to that

512
00:33:46,190 --> 00:33:53,190
what you believe I don't believe i won
90 up

513
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,590
I know thats so others past rights

514
00:34:00,590 --> 00:34:05,149
right talking standing right there

515
00:34:05,149 --> 00:34:08,639
issued that was like

516
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:12,470
the most horrible that person and that's

517
00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:15,500
house nope

518
00:34:15,500 --> 00:34:20,190
I had just gotten in a fight with George
drop

519
00:34:20,190 --> 00:34:23,730
so but I got you second landing

520
00:34:23,730 --> 00:34:29,480
all the last thing to do birds or up

521
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,950
why I I was project

522
00:34:32,950 --> 00:34:38,549
up the stairs into the wall others like
15 cheap

523
00:34:38,549 --> 00:34:42,109
stand-up

524
00:34:42,109 --> 00:34:45,290
and my body

525
00:34:45,290 --> 00:34:52,099
just like starts I no longer have
control of myself

526
00:34:52,099 --> 00:34:55,710
I'm standing on the floor

527
00:34:55,710 --> 00:34:59,109
look at my mother I don't know what's
course doesn't know what to say to pay

528
00:34:59,109 --> 00:35:02,559
and she jumps around

529
00:35:02,559 --> 00:35:06,960
shock like something just scraped or

530
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,319
touched or help character

531
00:35:10,319 --> 00:35:16,510
Jimmy through me I have to describe what
it felt like a weepy

532
00:35:16,510 --> 00:35:20,589
like and on this after being shocked

533
00:35:20,589 --> 00:35:24,549
somewhere in the rule

534
00:35:24,549 --> 00:35:30,779
which each

535
00:35:30,779 --> 00:35:34,450
was like Shop Hop page like

536
00:35:34,450 --> 00:35:40,440
with a cargo crackled and that stuck
with me

537
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,049
at least a decade daily basis

538
00:35:44,049 --> 00:35:47,630
anybody ever saw me with the Tier II

539
00:35:47,630 --> 00:35:53,900
edge like not should my mother

540
00:35:53,900 --> 00:35:57,380
I asp route

541
00:35:57,380 --> 00:36:01,140
want to attack wide

542
00:36:01,140 --> 00:36:08,140
ok she was try and all sort

543
00:36:10,940 --> 00:36:15,410
disliked you all rock

544
00:36:15,410 --> 00:36:18,579
who was possessed

545
00:36:18,579 --> 00:36:25,109
George

546
00:36:25,109 --> 00:36:28,930
and myself you feel that you were
possessed

547
00:36:28,930 --> 00:36:33,890
I was a yeah I think that would happen
at some point was

548
00:36:33,890 --> 00:36:38,009
extremely so far beyond my control

549
00:36:38,009 --> 00:36:41,969
yeah you mean in terms of your violence
towards to work his towards you

550
00:36:41,969 --> 00:36:48,969
I think no I mean I mean

551
00:36:50,490 --> 00:36:54,119
know this had nothing to do with a judas
having to do with me no longer having

552
00:36:54,119 --> 00:36:55,440
control of my body

553
00:36:55,440 --> 00:37:01,349
on my mind what I'm saying or what i'd
how long did that last

554
00:37:01,349 --> 00:37:04,920
I felt like wildlife

555
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:11,920
at our 25-35 minutes

556
00:37:14,670 --> 00:37:18,080
you

557
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:23,070
men were infested with violent reactions
while women Kathy said

558
00:37:23,070 --> 00:37:27,640
were charmed by the house and overcome
with the feeling was sedated

559
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,160
the boathouse was a source a poltergeist
activity

560
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:35,780
lots alleged he had gone out to check it
one night and found a green slime which

561
00:37:35,780 --> 00:37:36,480
he dubbed

562
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,610
poltergeist puke losing all

563
00:37:39,610 --> 00:37:43,369
over the place after january 6

564
00:37:43,369 --> 00:37:47,380
the Feast of the Epiphany when they took
down the Christmas decorations

565
00:37:47,380 --> 00:37:52,070
all hell broke loose Kathy said

566
00:37:52,070 --> 00:37:54,670
it started now as any

567
00:37:54,670 --> 00:37:57,770
rentable fouled

568
00:37:57,770 --> 00:38:01,270
Tom students use type smell stench

569
00:38:01,270 --> 00:38:05,260
we started going around opening all the
windows and the doors

570
00:38:05,260 --> 00:38:09,420
all over the house I've got up to play
around

571
00:38:09,420 --> 00:38:12,800
flies was trying to open a champ window

572
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:17,520
and getting open in like Superman while

573
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:23,350
strongest thing I ever did 10 and my
brother and two

574
00:38:23,350 --> 00:38:28,800
the room he got in and I turned around
to look at me I got it

575
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,330
and the Winter Games slamming down

576
00:38:32,330 --> 00:38:35,850
and crushed my fingers

577
00:38:35,850 --> 00:38:39,140
to the point it was skin on skin

578
00:38:39,140 --> 00:38:42,880
left-hand and right-hand

579
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:47,000
shattered

580
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:51,510
this section if this finger this novel's
never been this

581
00:38:51,510 --> 00:38:55,590
min you can see that ride ok my kinky
one

582
00:38:55,590 --> 00:38:59,320
and compared to the other you see you
then and

583
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:03,430
from the window sill I'm smashed

584
00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:07,360
as was both hands and

585
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,460
to

586
00:39:10,460 --> 00:39:13,680
shortage my mother my brother

587
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,520
whoever George's friend was there help
me move shit around

588
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,560
to get the window of my fingers

589
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:26,300
and my mom starts fishin for I said she
wants to make phone calls and get ice

590
00:39:26,300 --> 00:39:27,920
and do all these things

591
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:32,540
in in her turning around to get a rag

592
00:39:32,540 --> 00:39:36,960
to put the ice cubes and put in my hand
as we're sitting in the kitchen

593
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:41,780
the side door opening

594
00:39:41,780 --> 00:39:46,770
very slowly and we will stop all we're
doing to pay attention

595
00:39:46,770 --> 00:39:53,770
and there was nobody there wow I hate
tunes

596
00:39:55,070 --> 00:40:02,070
fuckin had times where you make me dues

597
00:40:05,380 --> 00:40:10,070
I'm I just kind it's pretty sad alright
a fork in spirit comes into the house

598
00:40:10,070 --> 00:40:13,800
into the room through the door bombs
into my mother

599
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:19,020
walks room my hands like this that are
hanging off the table knocks the peanut

600
00:40:19,020 --> 00:40:20,710
butter and jelly knife down

601
00:40:20,710 --> 00:40:23,990
onto the floor and sit down and

602
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:27,390
this spot here

603
00:40:27,390 --> 00:40:33,510
is your

604
00:40:33,510 --> 00:40:38,270
arming buzzing what time noise so it
just sat there or something

605
00:40:38,270 --> 00:40:42,510
made an impression on the sea yes

606
00:40:42,510 --> 00:40:45,610
what did you guys did wish to

607
00:40:45,610 --> 00:40:48,710
most people look at the house yes well i
i she's

608
00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:53,400
I'm I'm mom can and ice you know what
happened specifically

609
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:58,060
we're doing this and she's rap in my
hands and then that three seconds it

610
00:40:58,060 --> 00:40:59,680
took to look back it was gone

611
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:04,380
where was the worst games of stairs
trying to figure out what happened to

612
00:41:04,380 --> 00:41:05,130
the window

613
00:41:05,130 --> 00:41:08,650
wise in stock so as I'm sitting there

614
00:41:08,650 --> 00:41:12,210
my mother flips over my hands she's
looking back it's

615
00:41:12,210 --> 00:41:16,680
like workers were talkin skin on skin
here go

616
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,730
my hands swell to the size

617
00:41:20,730 --> 00:41:23,750
of a child's baseball

618
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:28,580
five times their normal size

619
00:41:28,580 --> 00:41:32,110
that today to the donners and in one
sacking

620
00:41:32,110 --> 00:41:36,040
acting ships this

621
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,180
so that pinky see it still film from

622
00:41:39,180 --> 00:41:46,180
that still sent did they take you to the
doctor

623
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:50,830
my assignment that's every night March
1976 was to stay in the house

624
00:41:50,830 --> 00:41:55,940
report on any unusual activity a number
psychics parapsychology is clear way in

625
00:41:55,940 --> 00:41:57,970
so that the man I love this were also
there

626
00:41:57,970 --> 00:42:02,840
determine once and for all about house
was possessed by some demonic forces

627
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,650
georgian Kathy Lutz yes the the channel
five news about the earlier

628
00:42:06,650 --> 00:42:09,920
if there was a demonic force in the
house that watched by the sir

629
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:14,360
he did not manifest itself physically
why we the psychic suggest that the

630
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,280
house had been neutralized the
atmosphere not right at the moment

631
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,720
that perhaps the demons well they were
scared off by the crowd

632
00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:24,710
that our cameras self effort that was a
landfill

633
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:28,530
I came out on camera in our newsroom

634
00:42:28,530 --> 00:42:32,200
away I might add the piece like this of
anime

635
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:36,460
asked if I was scared during my night at
the house at 112 Ocean Avenue

636
00:42:36,460 --> 00:42:41,090
no I was not it would be more accurate
to me to say

637
00:42:41,090 --> 00:42:44,810
that the two hours I spent watching the
movie Friday night

638
00:42:44,810 --> 00:42:48,200
with rowdy disruptive pot-smoking
audience

639
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:53,390
was much more of our the six hours I
spent that house at that would leave

640
00:42:53,390 --> 00:42:56,590
trouble film looks as though we're
convinced

641
00:42:56,590 --> 00:43:00,690
themselves and they took to mend at
tremendous personal cost

642
00:43:00,690 --> 00:43:05,460
we wanted to find a story we wanted to
believe them they came across

643
00:43:05,460 --> 00:43:09,230
as very sincere irradiated the story

644
00:43:09,230 --> 00:43:13,550
which we headed to quickly get on the
air I went back and looked at

645
00:43:13,550 --> 00:43:16,820
every for that film there was nothing on

646
00:43:16,820 --> 00:43:21,590
film except the people who were on the
telling their story the thing that

647
00:43:21,590 --> 00:43:25,280
I would find the Los curious thing the
night

648
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,290
that I was there would be the sensation

649
00:43:28,290 --> 00:43:31,370
bill place the metropolis cameraman's at
the Blue

650
00:43:31,370 --> 00:43:34,980
he had these palpitations miss them and
would covered so

651
00:43:34,980 --> 00:43:38,750
serious assignments war zones Ryan's and
any

652
00:43:38,750 --> 00:43:42,320
so the was overcome by something and he
could not explain

653
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,990
he said he had no heart condition but he
climb the steps

654
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:49,750
sup stop camera down and

655
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:53,730
I'll explain another the unexplainable
lol I do recall

656
00:43:53,730 --> 00:43:58,400
Lorraine Warren when she went to trance
saying it was a demonic force from deep

657
00:43:58,400 --> 00:43:59,860
in the bowels of the earth

658
00:43:59,860 --> 00:44:03,420
love it wasn't the sewing room yes the
sewing room

659
00:44:03,420 --> 00:44:07,980
was the room which supposedly has the
story has it where the

660
00:44:07,980 --> 00:44:12,120
demonic force was supposed to be the
strongest all the rain 1 I'm you we went

661
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:12,850
upstairs

662
00:44:12,850 --> 00:44:16,010
we sat on the sewing room we have amble
going

663
00:44:16,010 --> 00:44:21,710
I remember rain that she had never felt
such a force that she felt that night it

664
00:44:21,710 --> 00:44:23,680
was like feeling like she was in hell

665
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:27,380
the rain also produced photograph which

666
00:44:27,380 --> 00:44:32,320
claims that there is the image oh boy
this is one of the pictures that their

667
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,030
photographer took that night

668
00:44:34,030 --> 00:44:37,530
you and I both know that there were no
children and no animals in the house

669
00:44:37,530 --> 00:44:40,650
that night think look at it but then
again try

670
00:44:40,650 --> 00:44:44,120
for great photographed think it's

671
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:51,120
the let's look at the countryside for
just what I know I'm not arguing at the

672
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,980
Greek and disputing anything I've been
in the house I was there the night of

673
00:44:53,980 --> 00:44:54,600
the murders

674
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:58,700
I have the Weber interview that
supposedly expose the whole thing

675
00:44:58,700 --> 00:44:59,310
alright so

676
00:44:59,310 --> 00:45:03,530
we've all been involved extensively what
there's no argument there

677
00:45:03,530 --> 00:45:07,190
but what about the arguments that
surface

678
00:45:07,190 --> 00:45:10,280
from one source for the other that for
example

679
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,880
reason they had to leave the house is
because they

680
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,610
let it foreclose they just didn't have
the money was more money let the land

681
00:45:17,610 --> 00:45:21,940
serving business was just not doing very
well and then he has a cell house

682
00:45:21,940 --> 00:45:24,980
couldn't sell house had to get out
couldn't pay it

683
00:45:24,980 --> 00:45:28,220
as as a as a starting point will talk
about

684
00:45:28,220 --> 00:45:32,690
okay and I starting point well I wasn't
privy to their finances run

685
00:45:32,690 --> 00:45:35,890
however they got the house for

686
00:45:35,890 --> 00:45:39,480
eighty thousand dollars a purchase price
of with the possessions

687
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:43,230
you can always assume that this realtor
Salam

688
00:45:43,230 --> 00:45:46,990
house up must at some point if they
didn't already know that this

689
00:45:46,990 --> 00:45:50,040
in for this he just didn't think so it
was amazing

690
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:53,610
so they did okay didn't know essays
makes it even worse they did

691
00:45:53,610 --> 00:45:57,230
not only do you know that it's that it
was a scene of a mass murder now the

692
00:45:57,230 --> 00:46:00,340
your the belongings affect now

693
00:46:00,340 --> 00:46:03,900
couple get let's play let's play devil's
advocate for one second I'll

694
00:46:03,900 --> 00:46:08,100
I've heard all the stories about they
got into financial straits

695
00:46:08,100 --> 00:46:12,670
but how could you could they didn't have
enough time to get that far behind

696
00:46:12,670 --> 00:46:16,040
if they were only in the house for 28
days

697
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,250
now as to the point could he have been

698
00:46:19,250 --> 00:46:23,740
dreaming up a scheme yeah absolutely
could have

699
00:46:23,740 --> 00:46:26,770
did you did you have pics could you find
any evidence

700
00:46:26,770 --> 00:46:30,220
that he understood the local
supernatural before they moved into the

701
00:46:30,220 --> 00:46:30,780
house

702
00:46:30,780 --> 00:46:34,030
that but George what specifically what
George Lutz

703
00:46:34,030 --> 00:46:37,240
always maintained to me

704
00:46:37,240 --> 00:46:40,680
was that he was a non-practicing
methodist

705
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:44,790
the rumors that I've heard second third
fourth hand

706
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:49,300
over the years with that he had had an
abiding interest in the occult

707
00:46:49,300 --> 00:46:53,620
I think that lots triggered something of
by being open to it

708
00:46:53,620 --> 00:46:56,880
by previous activity possibly on

709
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:01,190
the part over money to fail they were
fooling around and got themselves in

710
00:47:01,190 --> 00:47:04,420
very deep was something dark and
something evil

711
00:47:04,420 --> 00:47:07,859
that they totally didn't understand know
where they were

712
00:47:07,859 --> 00:47:11,200
you know we were invited by the crime
groups to come

713
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:15,030
after the much is left the family then
moved in

714
00:47:15,030 --> 00:47:19,240
and I'll this was in December a77

715
00:47:19,240 --> 00:47:23,130
so we went through the entire place took
pictures we took infrared pictures

716
00:47:23,130 --> 00:47:26,450
and I had a psychic one man covering up

717
00:47:26,450 --> 00:47:30,630
living that I've worked with for many
many years Ceron make a right walks the

718
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:31,830
halls

719
00:47:31,830 --> 00:47:35,359
but it's what you think said while and I
said

720
00:47:35,359 --> 00:47:40,300
walked and he said tensile ritual much
it costs

721
00:47:40,300 --> 00:47:44,570
homes she was with the lots involved in
ritual magic

722
00:47:44,570 --> 00:47:48,859
this was all about black magic being
done in this house

723
00:47:48,859 --> 00:47:53,240
and he fell the residual effect South
with the psychological

724
00:47:53,240 --> 00:47:56,340
lose Natori experiences that people
thought were real

725
00:47:56,340 --> 00:48:00,330
but they're not really real our parent
only induced

726
00:48:00,330 --> 00:48:03,640
do or allegations that he knew more
about you called them the the

727
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:04,650
supernatural

728
00:48:04,650 --> 00:48:10,810
before they moved in than he's admitted
or wherever did admit this life

729
00:48:10,810 --> 00:48:13,750
haiti's review had any experience before
they're called

730
00:48:13,750 --> 00:48:17,680
with the supernatural ever before we can
believe in I was

731
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,850
purposely nosing into george's business
but

732
00:48:20,850 --> 00:48:24,710
but there were things when you walked
into george's house

733
00:48:24,710 --> 00:48:28,890
it wasn't inviting and welcoming if you
read his

734
00:48:28,890 --> 00:48:31,960
a bookcase

735
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,550
you know would range from

736
00:48:35,550 --> 00:48:39,020
transcendental meditation to Buddhism

737
00:48:39,020 --> 00:48:42,700
satanic history mind

738
00:48:42,700 --> 00:48:46,690
control typeof auction hypnosis

739
00:48:46,690 --> 00:48:49,910
books sky was into some pretty dark
stuff

740
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:53,140
when I started thumbing through these
books in

741
00:48:53,140 --> 00:48:57,210
they're sacrificing virgins devil
worship

742
00:48:57,210 --> 00:49:01,170
rallies you know shit like this and I'm
reading this in the book

743
00:49:01,170 --> 00:49:04,380
and I walk over to my mother and she
just

744
00:49:04,380 --> 00:49:07,850
crack me over the head said put this
back and don't take it off the shelf

745
00:49:07,850 --> 00:49:11,570
and I looked at her and I said
absolutely not

746
00:49:11,570 --> 00:49:14,610
you marry this guy you move me to his
house

747
00:49:14,610 --> 00:49:21,000
what the hell is he into stupid menfolk

748
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,940
george was not right

749
00:49:24,940 --> 00:49:28,320
that you can see that the dead to fear
in the kids

750
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,810
and then acknowledgement of

751
00:49:31,810 --> 00:49:35,750
if he's president their Jeff

752
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:38,940
you know and everyone was I believe

753
00:49:38,940 --> 00:49:42,070
I once I can said there was

754
00:49:42,070 --> 00:49:46,810
a lot of fear and anxiety in our house
about it there's something about his

755
00:49:46,810 --> 00:49:47,960
presence that made

756
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:52,600
30 as child

757
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:57,870
know something is of with this man not
write something

758
00:49:57,870 --> 00:50:01,070
not good I think that

759
00:50:01,070 --> 00:50:03,390
certain people can

760
00:50:03,390 --> 00:50:08,460
trigger things and in this case I think
that whatever happened

761
00:50:08,460 --> 00:50:11,779
after round to fail murdered his family

762
00:50:11,779 --> 00:50:16,799
I think it lingered there and I think I
was felt the George lots

763
00:50:16,799 --> 00:50:19,819
was the trigger for

764
00:50:19,819 --> 00:50:25,579
what started to happen to that family in
Warren always talked about certain

765
00:50:25,579 --> 00:50:27,259
people when we were in the house

766
00:50:27,259 --> 00:50:30,430
the night of March 6 there were a couple
people there

767
00:50:30,430 --> 00:50:33,549
that it said we're going from room to
room

768
00:50:33,549 --> 00:50:36,680
antagonizing the house or the spirits

769
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:41,569
well I called the Warrens up what are
you in a doing can you come down here

770
00:50:41,569 --> 00:50:45,299
there's this case it's just broke in
it's been in the news I gave her

771
00:50:45,299 --> 00:50:48,859
I gave in the rain the background they
said sure will come right down

772
00:50:48,859 --> 00:50:52,779
we drove out to the house and george was
meeting us there

773
00:50:52,779 --> 00:50:57,140
and George would not go onto the
property everything was on the table a

774
00:50:57,140 --> 00:51:00,859
gingerbread house the kathy had made the
kids for Christmas

775
00:51:00,859 --> 00:51:04,450
the clothes were you know strewn about
newspapers

776
00:51:04,450 --> 00:51:08,390
there was food in the refrigerator just
look like they had gone out for the day

777
00:51:08,390 --> 00:51:12,589
Lorraine went into one room which later
one of the bedrooms and it turned out to

778
00:51:12,589 --> 00:51:14,390
have been running to fails room and she

779
00:51:14,390 --> 00:51:17,450
back to read out up there and so after
that

780
00:51:17,450 --> 00:51:21,210
I took ed McGrane to meet Kathy

781
00:51:21,210 --> 00:51:26,059
George and the kids last time I was here

782
00:51:26,059 --> 00:51:29,220
nine maybe 10

783
00:51:29,220 --> 00:51:36,220
commit 0

784
00:51:37,509 --> 00:51:43,430
of

785
00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:47,410
well thank you how are you

786
00:51:47,410 --> 00:51:50,569
on gun glad to be here

787
00:51:50,569 --> 00:51:54,430
all which good to see you very very

788
00:51:54,430 --> 00:51:59,640
good to see you I haven't seen I'm sorry
about think company so long

789
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:03,920
song you can never be another and

790
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,609
I'll known no never me we'll talk about

791
00:52:07,609 --> 00:52:12,059
I'd yes yes he was a man

792
00:52:12,059 --> 00:52:15,910
the greenstein this

793
00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:19,509
I thats feinstein okay he's so mean

794
00:52:19,509 --> 00:52:23,630
command usafe well can flip this house
is life

795
00:52:23,630 --> 00:52:27,119
this is feinstein and Lady Jane

796
00:52:27,119 --> 00:52:30,890
right here this is I'm stein and Lady
Jane

797
00:52:30,890 --> 00:52:35,599
ans the then

798
00:52:35,599 --> 00:52:38,710
right here

799
00:52:38,710 --> 00:52:42,269
is his twin identical

800
00:52:42,269 --> 00:52:46,089
when no way yes identical twin roosters

801
00:52:46,089 --> 00:52:49,690
the I

802
00:52:49,690 --> 00:52:52,750
they're creating you Lorraine

803
00:52:52,750 --> 00:52:57,170
and my mom had a very very tight
relationship the two

804
00:52:57,170 --> 00:53:01,049
they were really the only people

805
00:53:01,049 --> 00:53:04,559
that could offer psalm

806
00:53:04,559 --> 00:53:08,029
typeof condolence to the situation that
had

807
00:53:08,029 --> 00:53:12,049
had happened yes let's go downstairs
where we can sit and talk

808
00:53:12,049 --> 00:53:18,480
spoke

809
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:20,390
what took place in house

810
00:53:20,390 --> 00:53:23,980
if this true personification of evil

811
00:53:23,980 --> 00:53:27,299
how do you explain

812
00:53:27,299 --> 00:53:30,260
I'll

813
00:53:30,260 --> 00:53:34,250
I haz Cassie if we could take

814
00:53:34,250 --> 00:53:38,470
you three kids for a walk on the beach
and that's when you can just walked

815
00:53:38,470 --> 00:53:42,210
to I'm what did they tell you

816
00:53:42,210 --> 00:53:46,030
what we didn't want to frighten them we
talk Kathy

817
00:53:46,030 --> 00:53:50,780
and we like you guys talk everything
member this

818
00:53:50,780 --> 00:53:54,660
and they went about noises and they were
talking

819
00:53:54,660 --> 00:53:58,049
about how he would stand at the top of
the stairs

820
00:53:58,049 --> 00:54:02,640
and in yell and scream about marching
bands

821
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:06,460
that we're downstairs and runs for all
rolled up

822
00:54:06,460 --> 00:54:10,299
do you think that George triggered

823
00:54:10,299 --> 00:54:15,099
whatever was in the house that it was
attracted to him almost like

824
00:54:15,099 --> 00:54:19,040
his personality it and

825
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:22,510
it's a strong possibility it is

826
00:54:22,510 --> 00:54:25,930
a strong possibility but you

827
00:54:25,930 --> 00:54:29,240
you had to kinda piled yourself

828
00:54:29,240 --> 00:54:34,140
to take your John I mean that

829
00:54:34,140 --> 00:54:37,530
you had what can you tell if tells

830
00:54:37,530 --> 00:54:41,339
case anything to defend

831
00:54:41,339 --> 00:54:44,500
I have to be careful with my words

832
00:54:44,500 --> 00:54:51,500
when it comes to its how was he has a
father

833
00:54:51,799 --> 00:54:55,089
it wasn't and

834
00:54:55,089 --> 00:54:59,210
no father parent skills whatsoever

835
00:54:59,210 --> 00:55:02,319
whatsoever

836
00:55:02,319 --> 00:55:06,059
who did you turn to I'm removed from the
family

837
00:55:06,059 --> 00:55:10,430
you know as very young teenager and

838
00:55:10,430 --> 00:55:15,220
you know mime my mother and George wants
subsequently won

839
00:55:15,220 --> 00:55:20,220
getting a divorce years later yes my mom
had a handful you know

840
00:55:20,220 --> 00:55:23,690
River since her own family and she was
very shaken

841
00:55:23,690 --> 00:55:27,349
I was out find myself in life and she
was happy for me

842
00:55:27,349 --> 00:55:31,329
so was kinda had a well that's going but
you never

843
00:55:31,329 --> 00:55:34,750
you never did anything had so i mean a

844
00:55:34,750 --> 00:55:38,160
but he how all

845
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,380
for you when George left the scene

846
00:55:41,380 --> 00:55:45,890
16-17

847
00:55:45,890 --> 00:55:49,010
and cell

848
00:55:49,010 --> 00:55:52,680
at that point where you I was already
gone for years at that time

849
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:57,200
and you were gone yeah where we do. do
my own thing

850
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:01,430
and and I couldn't have been happier for

851
00:56:01,430 --> 00:56:04,859
you know when I found out that mom was
getting a divorce

852
00:56:04,859 --> 00:56:09,160
finally after all these years and I
didn't want it ever have to do a mom I

853
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:10,210
told you so

854
00:56:10,210 --> 00:56:15,119
but I did I told you so so many left
home when he was 15 sixty

855
00:56:15,119 --> 00:56:18,339
where did you go %uh

856
00:56:18,339 --> 00:56:23,740
to the desert 11

857
00:56:23,740 --> 00:56:29,109
jeff is here I did how do I stayed with
friends friends stayed with me and took

858
00:56:29,109 --> 00:56:32,799
a while you know which is very easy to
be home was in the desert it's it's

859
00:56:32,799 --> 00:56:34,569
actually quite accommodating

860
00:56:34,569 --> 00:56:38,150
doesn't get cold you would get cold at
night

861
00:56:38,150 --> 00:56:41,410
its roast and

862
00:56:41,410 --> 00:56:44,420
daytime yeah love good food

863
00:56:44,420 --> 00:56:48,400
to did feel character that

864
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:52,440
when

865
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:56,440
when did that happen you became so bear
with me and a I went to my mom

866
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:59,780
and I said look somebody's really gonna
get hurt

867
00:56:59,780 --> 00:57:03,700
around here and and I G I and I asked
her to let me go

868
00:57:03,700 --> 00:57:07,109
mom please where did you go 13 world

869
00:57:07,109 --> 00:57:12,190
it's not about where I when I be in the
back parking lot behind a dumpster

870
00:57:12,190 --> 00:57:15,349
happy star thanks because nobody's
bothered you were still

871
00:57:15,349 --> 00:57:19,190
it wasn't about where okay no with me
it's never about

872
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:24,309
where I okay by you know this is

873
00:57:24,309 --> 00:57:27,589
this is where the party story is nobody
knows what's going on behind

874
00:57:27,589 --> 00:57:31,520
our front door what was going on right
on time mom please let me go

875
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,799
okay let me go okay and

876
00:57:34,799 --> 00:57:39,559
took a couple days and she me pick up a
peanut butter and jelly sandwiches

877
00:57:39,559 --> 00:57:43,099
washed my socks and shit like had
G-eleven ago

878
00:57:43,099 --> 00:57:46,630
now as brave her critical

879
00:57:46,630 --> 00:57:53,290
yeah can I bring it on the personality
of people that lived in the house

880
00:57:53,290 --> 00:57:56,529
can I do that to have the right to do
that

881
00:57:56,529 --> 00:57:59,640
you know I don't have the right to

882
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:03,380
to anything like that cell and you've

883
00:58:03,380 --> 00:58:07,430
with the clergy clergy weren't to

884
00:58:07,430 --> 00:58:11,059
forward 29

885
00:58:11,059 --> 00:58:14,529
go in there and do anything more and
told

886
00:58:14,529 --> 00:58:18,240
my husband please not going housing can

887
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,589
police its gonna kill you

888
00:58:21,589 --> 00:58:25,020
don't go in that house again

889
00:58:25,020 --> 00:58:29,040
that the last time that to go back

890
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:32,260
yes

891
00:58:32,260 --> 00:58:35,549
what about Danny Danny pose a threat

892
00:58:35,549 --> 00:58:38,660
Danny was a little boy

893
00:58:38,660 --> 00:58:43,000
and it wasn't just a young innocent
child we were baptized

894
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:46,270
yes so see they have that protection

895
00:58:46,270 --> 00:58:50,540
too much kept the faith have

896
00:58:50,540 --> 00:58:54,040
yes I good

897
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:57,520
I'm is is there anybody

898
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:04,520
here that does not believe in God

899
00:59:05,609 --> 00:59:09,960
you very chime in now you because I'm
gonna call you out on it

900
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:14,829
you you what's your answer

901
00:59:14,829 --> 00:59:18,410
well you believe

902
00:59:18,410 --> 00:59:22,829
still the jury's still out what does
that mean you know it's

903
00:59:22,829 --> 00:59:27,299
experiences that so are you saying

904
00:59:27,299 --> 00:59:30,790
get to a nightsticks okay are I

905
00:59:30,790 --> 00:59:35,109
what it's at a respected into what I'm
saying here

906
00:59:35,109 --> 00:59:38,710
I'm opening this and there's a relic

907
00:59:38,710 --> 00:59:43,000
the across the Christ was crucified on

908
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:47,609
you know can I don't have respect for
that is

909
00:59:47,609 --> 00:59:52,210
to bring out well Lorraine

910
00:59:52,210 --> 00:59:55,430
as another Roman Catholic who believes

911
00:59:55,430 --> 00:59:58,770
certainly Jesus was confronted with
doubters

912
00:59:58,770 --> 01:00:05,770
doubting Thomas so okay

913
01:00:07,109 --> 01:00:11,369
here's

914
01:00:11,369 --> 01:00:15,430
their is the word you

915
01:00:15,430 --> 01:00:20,090
right thing the True Cross

916
01:00:20,090 --> 01:00:24,250
Christ was crucified this is written

917
01:00:24,250 --> 01:00:28,480
I the clergymen this

918
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:32,570
this cross is good in true the good

919
01:00:32,570 --> 01:00:35,660
you do with this crisis is that good

920
01:00:35,660 --> 01:00:38,540
you do for him

921
01:00:38,540 --> 01:00:41,920
did you take that into the Amityville
house I didn't have

922
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:45,070
I didn't have this in that time

923
01:00:45,070 --> 01:00:48,609
can't now here

924
01:00:48,609 --> 01:00:52,220
this is here

925
01:00:52,220 --> 01:00:55,440
from Padre Pio

926
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:58,819
I did have this I had this

927
01:00:58,819 --> 01:01:01,990
in my hand nobody knew it

928
01:01:01,990 --> 01:01:05,749
nobody knew I carry this relic

929
01:01:05,749 --> 01:01:09,539
I'll time times February 23rd

930
01:01:09,539 --> 01:01:12,749
and March 6 nobody new that I had

931
01:01:12,749 --> 01:01:16,559
this and 10

932
01:01:16,559 --> 01:01:21,170
he appear

933
01:01:21,170 --> 01:01:24,140
hydrate PO here to you

934
01:01:24,140 --> 01:01:27,800
seeking and you feel that that

935
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:33,339
protected you most definitely

936
01:01:33,339 --> 01:01:35,630
it like vindication

937
01:01:35,630 --> 01:01:42,630
that's how Iran tell I see it

938
01:01:44,710 --> 01:01:47,480
this is amazing

939
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:51,599
you have faith

940
01:01:51,599 --> 01:01:57,990
you can you case you can kiss yes

941
01:01:57,990 --> 01:01:59,569
means

942
01:01:59,569 --> 01:02:02,549
simple is

943
01:02:02,549 --> 01:02:04,730
his

944
01:02:04,730 --> 01:02:07,770
thank you

945
01:02:07,770 --> 01:02:08,980
scam

946
01:02:08,980 --> 01:02:12,170
it through this this was with add

947
01:02:12,170 --> 01:02:15,320
all the time in the hospital it never

948
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:18,940
truly recovering I brought him home

949
01:02:18,940 --> 01:02:25,940
unit for years in

950
01:02:30,570 --> 01:02:31,590
what would you

951
01:02:31,590 --> 01:02:35,650
say to somebody who says okay this kid
obviously

952
01:02:35,650 --> 01:02:38,930
has a big problem with his stepfather

953
01:02:38,930 --> 01:02:43,010
but that's not so unusual they could put
it down to okay you've now got a blended

954
01:02:43,010 --> 01:02:44,750
family and it's not the Brady Bunch

955
01:02:44,750 --> 01:02:49,830
aka okay Danny skipping school he's
doing whatever he can to

956
01:02:49,830 --> 01:02:54,540
be defiant there was a small part of me
that look forward to get in trouble and

957
01:02:54,540 --> 01:02:55,910
would do anything

958
01:02:55,910 --> 01:02:59,310
you know you cats like when

959
01:02:59,310 --> 01:03:03,750
there was anger in the house more shit
was going on in the house

960
01:03:03,750 --> 01:03:08,820
the more dramatic in the more
dysfunctional it got

961
01:03:08,820 --> 01:03:13,200
the worst sitka did you feel like the
energy was feeling of love your

962
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:16,710
aggressions tension yes yes I've

963
01:03:16,710 --> 01:03:20,150
that's come up many times in life long
therapy yes

964
01:03:20,150 --> 01:03:23,869
and has anybody ever said to you okay
Danny maybe this is just manifestations

965
01:03:23,869 --> 01:03:25,610
baby you imagined all this

966
01:03:25,610 --> 01:03:31,240
maybe use in the coolidge to well what
do you say when somebody says that

967
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:34,480
get up and I won't go and discuss

968
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:37,930
I stopped trying to persuade people
about

969
01:03:37,930 --> 01:03:41,970
okay really long time ago

970
01:03:41,970 --> 01:03:45,660
what they could put tell me what makes
you so sure

971
01:03:45,660 --> 01:03:52,500
so convinced that this really happened
to you that you didn't

972
01:03:52,500 --> 01:03:56,280
a mat that its you didn't imagine it and
I'm sure you've had those

973
01:03:56,280 --> 01:04:01,760
those feelings were you saying OK
three-part second-guessing myself

974
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:05,140
yeah but is there any has there ever
been any point in time were you saying

975
01:04:05,140 --> 01:04:05,740
OK

976
01:04:05,740 --> 01:04:09,920
I was an angry Kid I'm

977
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:14,060
really ticked off did you ever doubt
yourself

978
01:04:14,060 --> 01:04:17,230
that this happened no

979
01:04:17,230 --> 01:04:21,440
DG never had a point yells at all to
clear an all too real and

980
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:24,880
what I saw I know I saw and I could
describe it to you twenty years from now

981
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:26,600
exactly like I did right now

982
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:30,359
nothing's gonna change did you have any
sense that whatever

983
01:04:30,359 --> 01:04:34,109
was there was would follow you

984
01:04:34,109 --> 01:04:40,570
of the property

985
01:04:40,570 --> 01:04:43,990
when did that start to happen

986
01:04:43,990 --> 01:04:46,970
well one around involves both

987
01:04:46,970 --> 01:04:53,970
on school

988
01:05:09,830 --> 01:05:12,240
my mother and three of us were basically

989
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:15,290
heaped which george was injured as

990
01:05:15,290 --> 01:05:22,290
is personal right and then

991
01:05:22,310 --> 01:05:26,370
only slowly he was he watching entering
shop

992
01:05:26,370 --> 01:05:29,880
world as we met him he was involved

993
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:33,460
his believes that which practiced

994
01:05:33,460 --> 01:05:37,290
one is to be able to control somebody
else's

995
01:05:37,290 --> 01:05:42,400
mines is to be able to keep object
masterful

996
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:45,870
heart

997
01:05:45,870 --> 01:05:49,540
I'd talk top

998
01:05:49,540 --> 01:05:53,410
I think somewhere along the line that

999
01:05:53,410 --> 01:05:57,010
George beliefs and practices and things
that he was

1000
01:05:57,010 --> 01:06:02,820
directly involved with triggered in was
a catalyst to what was going on

1001
01:06:02,820 --> 01:06:05,950
house was kinda like a magic trick gone
bad

1002
01:06:05,950 --> 01:06:10,950
control of what was involved with laying
of hands

1003
01:06:10,950 --> 01:06:16,300
and and recall that when you can move
objects with the mind in woods

1004
01:06:16,300 --> 01:06:20,300
telekinesis kinases thought projections
and

1005
01:06:20,300 --> 01:06:23,840
when did this start to since

1006
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:27,490
first minute I walked into his house in
realize

1007
01:06:27,490 --> 01:06:32,140
should two sons pixels well I mean if
you walked into my eye

1008
01:06:32,140 --> 01:06:36,700
if you walked into my house and you look
to my bookcase you would pretty much

1009
01:06:36,700 --> 01:06:41,760
see a lot love things on accusations by
rivals with bookmarks and

1010
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:46,720
pictures you photographed all on wall
but I have a lot of books on site on

1011
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:47,830
various aspects

1012
01:06:47,830 --> 01:06:51,650
love parapsychology the the supernatural

1013
01:06:51,650 --> 01:06:55,160
I have a couple books on with witchcraft
and magic but let's face it

1014
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:58,020
I mean what do you think the chances
realistically what do you think the

1015
01:06:58,020 --> 01:06:58,910
chances were

1016
01:06:58,910 --> 01:07:02,440
that no matter how many books George
read that he was going to be able to

1017
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:04,100
start moving objects with asthma

1018
01:07:04,100 --> 01:07:07,600
I witnessed you witnessed what

1019
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:10,610
exactly george's ability to move

1020
01:07:10,610 --> 01:07:13,980
objects with out touch them with his
mind

1021
01:07:13,980 --> 01:07:17,500
in his garage before we even got there

1022
01:07:17,500 --> 01:07:21,630
he was in the garage with his friends

1023
01:07:21,630 --> 01:07:24,670
you can ranches just like that

1024
01:07:24,670 --> 01:07:27,820
like this walk over with them down

1025
01:07:27,820 --> 01:07:31,810
takes them a couple minutes to get there
it takes about 12 is gone

1026
01:07:31,810 --> 01:07:36,840
and it would take about a minute to drop
it by he kindling

1027
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:40,740
and I was not supposed to know their
search which tumbled in on an

1028
01:07:40,740 --> 01:07:41,720
after-school

1029
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:45,200
my mother didn't know I'm run into their

1030
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:49,070
I don't know I didn't know if she knew
at that time my way told she looked to

1031
01:07:49,070 --> 01:07:51,970
me like what

1032
01:07:51,970 --> 01:07:55,840
colder out into the garage and I want
you to show my mom what you just did

1033
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:56,410
right now

1034
01:07:56,410 --> 01:08:01,780
and the guys got all and last didn't say
a word

1035
01:08:01,780 --> 01:08:05,910
and I have a doctors appointment at
night to I when I told the doctor

1036
01:08:05,910 --> 01:08:12,110
second by second where didn't offer an
explanation

1037
01:08:12,110 --> 01:08:17,840
he just kept praised we think he said

1038
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:21,000
role he had conversation

1039
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:25,420
for drop me off using comes in 15
minutes later they talk for another 20

1040
01:08:25,420 --> 01:08:25,850
minutes

1041
01:08:25,850 --> 01:08:30,660
go at this point I with the doctor I
would recommend it to your mother

1042
01:08:30,660 --> 01:08:33,900
find a new boyfriend or he

1043
01:08:33,900 --> 01:08:37,270
he needs your son needs to go for tester

1044
01:08:37,270 --> 01:08:43,350
something this is this is just an
incredible tale from

1045
01:08:43,350 --> 01:08:47,060
there's a doctor out there somewhere
with

1046
01:08:47,060 --> 01:08:50,430
that story in his file in handwriting

1047
01:08:50,430 --> 01:08:54,270
people

1048
01:08:54,270 --> 01:08:58,350
can exaggerate what they've experienced

1049
01:08:58,350 --> 01:09:03,270
they can exaggerate a little or
exaggerate a lot they can add details to

1050
01:09:03,270 --> 01:09:06,140
an experience to make the story more
interesting

1051
01:09:06,140 --> 01:09:09,260
%ah and that there are lots of reasons
why

1052
01:09:09,260 --> 01:09:13,580
people might do that I mean for one
thing a we remember

1053
01:09:13,580 --> 01:09:17,520
bits and pieces have experience but will
fill in the gaps in our memory

1054
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:21,600
with other bits of information things we
learned from other places

1055
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:26,420
inferences we drew which we decide
probably happen and we use those two

1056
01:09:26,420 --> 01:09:32,210
fill in the gaps memory their also maybe
a motivation to remember things in a way

1057
01:09:32,210 --> 01:09:34,400
that is a little bit more dramatic

1058
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:37,570
little bit more interesting now believes
that

1059
01:09:37,570 --> 01:09:40,580
saw his stepfather

1060
01:09:40,580 --> 01:09:43,580
move objects without touching

1061
01:09:43,580 --> 01:09:46,760
and the question and where did that come
from

1062
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:50,460
it might be a speculation that it could
have come from

1063
01:09:50,460 --> 01:09:55,060
the stepfather saying you know I can do
this and the little boy started think I

1064
01:09:55,060 --> 01:09:56,560
I saw him do it

1065
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:59,880
and when the story start to change

1066
01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:04,020
then it's time to become suspicious I be
afraid to be in that house

1067
01:10:04,020 --> 01:10:07,500
knowing that there had been a mass
murder in again we go back to the whole

1068
01:10:07,500 --> 01:10:08,220
thing about it

1069
01:10:08,220 --> 01:10:11,970
what is the imagination why starring and
just take off

1070
01:10:11,970 --> 01:10:15,840
and then the influence a father feeling
this on children

1071
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:20,500
who I've been involved in so many these
cases with children are so sensitive

1072
01:10:20,500 --> 01:10:23,510
not going to what's happening in an
environment possibly power normally

1073
01:10:23,510 --> 01:10:26,580
but also to the Q's they get from their
parents

1074
01:10:26,580 --> 01:10:30,140
most people do not want the glare these

1075
01:10:30,140 --> 01:10:34,100
they do not wanting names we feel
because of their business associations

1076
01:10:34,100 --> 01:10:36,310
and everything else I can be effected

1077
01:10:36,310 --> 01:10:39,640
they don't want to expose their children
very important

1078
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:43,020
to not any loving parent does not want
to

1079
01:10:43,020 --> 01:10:47,680
inflict on a child anyone who does that

1080
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:51,230
is is demonic is the so-called forces
that were released in this case

1081
01:10:51,230 --> 01:10:58,230
psychological scars is something that
are hard to expose

1082
01:10:58,850 --> 01:11:02,130
and and share with people and

1083
01:11:02,130 --> 01:11:06,270
while I'm an extremely emotional person
by nature and

1084
01:11:06,270 --> 01:11:11,990
that doesn't mean I like to share when
you watch him tell the stories he

1085
01:11:11,990 --> 01:11:16,410
he looks very believable and he tells
the story and away

1086
01:11:16,410 --> 01:11:20,540
that is almost guaranteed to get other
people to believe him

1087
01:11:20,540 --> 01:11:25,380
its detail he's confident he expresses
it was a motion

1088
01:11:25,380 --> 01:11:29,470
those are the things that people look to
you to decide that they're hearing an

1089
01:11:29,470 --> 01:11:30,700
authentic story

1090
01:11:30,700 --> 01:11:34,780
in my opinion the suggestion with this
ten-year-old boy

1091
01:11:34,780 --> 01:11:38,390
started when he was 10 helium

1092
01:11:38,390 --> 01:11:43,090
with adults who believed in the
paranormal who believed in the end call

1093
01:11:43,090 --> 01:11:46,750
call perhaps were who had books on me
paranormal

1094
01:11:46,750 --> 01:11:50,430
telekinesis who may have been talking
about things

1095
01:11:50,430 --> 01:11:53,900
and then discussions family members
interviews

1096
01:11:53,900 --> 01:12:00,900
ok their site he soaked and suggestions

1097
01:12:07,860 --> 01:12:10,680
I think one excellent example

1098
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:15,400
is this story about a priest coming to

1099
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:19,160
bless the house and then for five years
later

1100
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:22,810
there's a film that comes out which
shows that that priest

1101
01:12:22,810 --> 01:12:27,110
is overtaken by a swarm of flies and now

1102
01:12:27,110 --> 01:12:30,480
this once 10-year-old boy now older

1103
01:12:30,480 --> 01:12:33,760
has got a recollection remembering flies

1104
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:37,790
hundreds and hundreds of lives so did he
get that

1105
01:12:37,790 --> 01:12:40,790
from the post-event suggestion of the
film

1106
01:12:40,790 --> 01:12:47,790
%ah or not

1107
01:12:50,849 --> 01:12:54,809
the last night in the house when did you
leave

1108
01:12:54,809 --> 01:12:58,280
was a school day was a regular day
during week

1109
01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:05,280
my brother and myself

1110
01:13:06,890 --> 01:13:10,510
share levitation experience in our
bedroom

1111
01:13:10,510 --> 01:13:14,910
in our beds this would be a arvit here

1112
01:13:14,910 --> 01:13:18,830
because my bed was on during

1113
01:13:18,830 --> 01:13:21,920
this window was bad news this way

1114
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:27,060
on that wall so we would be like toe to
toe that way

1115
01:13:27,060 --> 01:13:30,760
wrong we both woke up that

1116
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:33,870
are headboards are footboards

1117
01:13:33,870 --> 01:13:40,870
word smashing each other and hanging off
the ceiling

1118
01:13:43,710 --> 01:13:48,260
on the last night that were in there the
boys hats were being watched it up and

1119
01:13:48,260 --> 01:13:52,010
slammed down overhead at me but I could
not get up out of bed

1120
01:13:52,010 --> 01:13:56,450
happy levitated I had to grab her to
keep her from going off

1121
01:13:56,450 --> 01:14:00,070
this is after she had

1122
01:14:00,070 --> 01:14:03,350
turned into and an old

1123
01:14:03,350 --> 01:14:06,370
flown really agree old woman

1124
01:14:06,370 --> 01:14:10,480
that literally took hours and hours for
it to go away

1125
01:14:10,480 --> 01:14:15,560
we talk we try to talk to on the right
number of times we've got on static

1126
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:19,590
hung up on unable to call now government
office and be able to talk to him and

1127
01:14:19,590 --> 01:14:25,000
tell him what was going on we ask you to
come back to the house wanted you know

1128
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:25,690
the bosnian

1129
01:14:25,690 --> 01:14:30,720
worked yes is why we were still there
that's when I was slammed home

1130
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:35,910
you're leaving I had no say in moving

1131
01:14:35,910 --> 01:14:40,270
Monday say go back to back going to
Grandma's just get in the van were

1132
01:14:40,270 --> 01:14:40,960
getting at

1133
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:44,170
whatever I don't know never coming back

1134
01:14:44,170 --> 01:14:48,400
here no leaving every fuckin thing I've
ever owned

1135
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:52,930
okay see you just ran out you were all
in night clothes

1136
01:14:52,930 --> 01:14:56,490
guy was wearing whatever God said you
know i'd

1137
01:14:56,490 --> 01:15:00,890
and jobs are pretty sure me in on that
said

1138
01:15:00,890 --> 01:15:03,960
they weren't going back to the house the
left

1139
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:07,700
all their possessions there but the bank
foreclose on the house

1140
01:15:07,700 --> 01:15:12,720
they were the subject of intense
scrutiny George wasn't working anymore

1141
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:15,790
kathy was not working she had three kids
and they moved they

1142
01:15:15,790 --> 01:15:19,170
they often moved to the other side of
the country you know they wanted to

1143
01:15:19,170 --> 01:15:24,300
get as far away from Amityville as they
could we were looking for family therapy

1144
01:15:24,300 --> 01:15:31,300
and I said mom

1145
01:15:32,030 --> 01:15:35,970
we can even talk about this in our own
house in Cornwall

1146
01:15:35,970 --> 01:15:39,430
with more logical explanations and

1147
01:15:39,430 --> 01:15:43,670
and now you wanna tell the world's

1148
01:15:43,670 --> 01:15:48,340
what we can't even figure out ourselves
why would you want to do that

1149
01:15:48,340 --> 01:15:51,910
how are we gonna do that

1150
01:15:51,910 --> 01:15:57,260
why you do in a there's nobody in the
neighborhood

1151
01:15:57,260 --> 01:16:00,810
doesn't know my mom and she's going on
TV shows and

1152
01:16:00,810 --> 01:16:04,610
yet I should dare and you know in school
is

1153
01:16:04,610 --> 01:16:08,970
as a grade school student teaches your
movie was on last night

1154
01:16:08,970 --> 01:16:12,620
really happened what would you say I

1155
01:16:12,620 --> 01:16:16,640
you wanna just like could punch you in
the face and leave

1156
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:22,520
right they were chased all over the
country I mean literally changed

1157
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:25,610
the kids couldn't go to school harassed

1158
01:16:25,610 --> 01:16:29,860
I mean this before pop Arazi they
weren't they would leave them alone no

1159
01:16:29,860 --> 01:16:31,040
phone calls

1160
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:34,630
not thing that's how we track their
movements burst through the meat

1161
01:16:34,630 --> 01:16:38,110
once the Amityville thing

1162
01:16:38,110 --> 01:16:43,000
happened in I started changing mentally
and emotionally

1163
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:46,780
I'm just redirected everything and
became hyper aggressive

1164
01:16:46,780 --> 01:16:50,360
apparently think I D large advanced

1165
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:54,680
to promotional torrent it was going to
be.

1166
01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:59,550
for probably close to a year if not
maybe a little more or they're going on

1167
01:16:59,550 --> 01:17:00,240
this world

1168
01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:02,359
swarm

1169
01:17:02,359 --> 01:17:06,559
wound up getting dumped off J Catholic
Church

1170
01:17:06,559 --> 01:17:11,040
monastery school

1171
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:14,140
I Caden authority problem I didn't care

1172
01:17:14,140 --> 01:17:17,720
preach were beating the shit out of me
performing extensions

1173
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:23,970
which if I'm not mistaken they don't
want to talk about

1174
01:17:23,970 --> 01:17:27,040
tell me about that what I mean
performing exorcisms

1175
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:33,020
performing axis isms like speaking in
tongues laying on hands

1176
01:17:33,020 --> 01:17:37,050
holy water splashing violent Falken

1177
01:17:37,050 --> 01:17:42,070
the bodily convulsions up

1178
01:17:42,070 --> 01:17:46,739
which five axis is and do I need to
explain why would they have done this

1179
01:17:46,739 --> 01:17:53,739
because I was possessed by a spirit that
I could not get rid of mining

1180
01:17:58,820 --> 01:18:02,170
so I ran away from the church a couple
times

1181
01:18:02,170 --> 01:18:05,910
priest free to share that I'd

1182
01:18:05,910 --> 01:18:08,990
said Georgian capital any communication
with you during this time

1183
01:18:08,990 --> 01:18:12,630
stumped you on I didn't talk to my
mother for probably the better part of

1184
01:18:12,630 --> 01:18:13,210
the year

1185
01:18:13,210 --> 01:18:17,130
in and to be honest but she showed up

1186
01:18:17,130 --> 01:18:24,130
I don't have much to say

1187
01:18:35,599 --> 01:18:38,999
in many ways it will follow you for a
long long long time to come

1188
01:18:38,999 --> 01:18:42,940
why did you go public full before we
went public

1189
01:18:42,940 --> 01:18:47,880
some other people stand for us and

1190
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:50,600
widely exaggerated stories and this

1191
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:53,250
on

1192
01:18:53,250 --> 01:18:56,810
in order to convict him those things

1193
01:18:56,810 --> 01:18:59,830
you to live with us sweet most

1194
01:18:59,830 --> 01:19:06,590
world

1195
01:19:06,590 --> 01:19:09,930
that I no longer exist

1196
01:19:09,930 --> 01:19:13,910
I could not separate

1197
01:19:13,910 --> 01:19:17,850
reality from what was called

1198
01:19:17,850 --> 01:19:20,960
came points where

1199
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:26,830
it was like this family nightmare come
true I could not

1200
01:19:26,830 --> 01:19:29,960
to see it was almost like being awake in
your own tree

1201
01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:34,710
but I used to hate living a lifestyle a
structured lights

1202
01:19:34,710 --> 01:19:37,760
all of a sudden you know

1203
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:41,580
in a matter of like six-month period

1204
01:19:41,580 --> 01:19:44,670
this whole time you know

1205
01:19:44,670 --> 01:19:50,880
old house moved

1206
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:54,340
have no friends discarded

1207
01:19:54,340 --> 01:19:58,010
shit outta me mom no longer mom I used
to know

1208
01:19:58,010 --> 01:20:02,930
I would say between 12 and 15

1209
01:20:02,930 --> 01:20:06,510
probably ran away about a times for a
total

1210
01:20:06,510 --> 01:20:12,880
about two years I would have been about

1211
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:16,300
to stern 15 something I had a problem

1212
01:20:16,300 --> 01:20:20,119
I was gone later lived in the orange
group

1213
01:20:20,119 --> 01:20:23,230
Salt Lake got a job in a gas station

1214
01:20:23,230 --> 01:20:30,230
in go to school in

1215
01:20:31,499 --> 01:20:34,369
what has been the worst

1216
01:20:34,369 --> 01:20:37,659
part a the whole

1217
01:20:37,659 --> 01:20:41,869
Amityville experience for you that I
didn't get to tell my story the first

1218
01:20:41,869 --> 01:20:42,209
time

1219
01:20:42,209 --> 01:20:49,209
are there any silver linings in the
class anything come and have any deal

1220
01:20:50,809 --> 01:20:54,079
you feel was good I'm gonna go with
string

1221
01:20:54,079 --> 01:21:01,079
be on strike and I didn't know that was
there a time

1222
01:21:01,519 --> 01:21:05,190
when the hauntings or the

1223
01:21:05,190 --> 01:21:09,150
strange incidence stop world they had

1224
01:21:09,150 --> 01:21:13,469
stopped for me in Arizona while I was by
myself

1225
01:21:13,469 --> 01:21:17,999
do you believe they stop for the rest of
the family

1226
01:21:17,999 --> 01:21:24,999
no I

1227
01:21:26,369 --> 01:21:30,260
ended invoked the only thing in life
that that that scares me

1228
01:21:30,260 --> 01:21:33,739
the only things the in my life that that
i truly fear

1229
01:21:33,739 --> 01:21:36,880
all the things that are just beyond my
control

1230
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:40,199
I'm not talking about man-made
situations that are beyond your control

1231
01:21:40,199 --> 01:21:41,280
there is

1232
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:44,840
and elements love for whatever

1233
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:47,909
label we want to put our name you know
easel tomorrow

1234
01:21:47,909 --> 01:21:51,760
conspirator whatever the fuck you want
to call it it exists

1235
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:55,249
under whatever label you wanna put it on
and

1236
01:21:55,249 --> 01:21:59,219
sad thats

1237
01:21:59,219 --> 01:22:03,130
the hardest thing for me to do continued
with I

1238
01:22:03,130 --> 01:22:06,890
because I know that it's true and

1239
01:22:06,890 --> 01:22:08,260
it

1240
01:22:08,260 --> 01:22:12,310
in my feeling about it

1241
01:22:12,310 --> 01:22:16,910
has always the let's is may have
experience with item

1242
01:22:16,910 --> 01:22:20,820
what I call low-level param from some
other hallucinogenic

1243
01:22:20,820 --> 01:22:24,330
something that noone whose engine so the
question becomes

1244
01:22:24,330 --> 01:22:28,690
let's say we could do this all over it
and let's say we kept the process an

1245
01:22:28,690 --> 01:22:29,770
investigator

1246
01:22:29,770 --> 01:22:33,090
went and talk to the Lexus and took that
testimony

1247
01:22:33,090 --> 01:22:37,550
could the ethical hard as we know it had
been spoke

1248
01:22:37,550 --> 01:22:41,780
my feeling is now I do even with the
back any fans have backdrop of those

1249
01:22:41,780 --> 01:22:42,560
mass murders

1250
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:47,460
your I do not belief based upon what the
Lexus claims that the experienced in

1251
01:22:47,460 --> 01:22:48,130
that house

1252
01:22:48,130 --> 01:22:53,440
would be enough to make this case now
nobody could have predicted

1253
01:22:53,440 --> 01:22:56,810
what has instead so something happen

1254
01:22:56,810 --> 01:23:00,190
the question is why and the effect
psychologically

1255
01:23:00,190 --> 01:23:03,460
on the family I do believe the losses

1256
01:23:03,460 --> 01:23:08,320
believe that they experience something
that was unusual

1257
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:12,630
I wanted to believe the story I want to
find some evidence that it was true

1258
01:23:12,630 --> 01:23:15,640
as a reporter we are naturally very
skeptical

1259
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:18,970
and I C you know show me the evidence

1260
01:23:18,970 --> 01:23:22,650
and that night I saw no evidence
anything

1261
01:23:22,650 --> 01:23:28,270
that was unusual in that house I do
believe

1262
01:23:28,270 --> 01:23:31,700
that their forces out there that

1263
01:23:31,700 --> 01:23:35,450
are beyond comprehension of our normal
five senses

1264
01:23:35,450 --> 01:23:39,290
I think that there were other forces at
work and I think

1265
01:23:39,290 --> 01:23:43,510
it would be very very hard for

1266
01:23:43,510 --> 01:23:48,330
a boy who had just turned 10 years old
to distinguish between

1267
01:23:48,330 --> 01:23:52,450
in some cases fact fantasy reality

1268
01:23:52,450 --> 01:23:56,200
I think george's particular personality

1269
01:23:56,200 --> 01:23:59,550
made him susceptible to that

1270
01:23:59,550 --> 01:24:02,630
and it fit of him what you think danny
is at right

1271
01:24:02,630 --> 01:24:06,390
blaming him for the haunting to take
place because Danny

1272
01:24:06,390 --> 01:24:10,260
blames george for taking his mother away
and for

1273
01:24:10,260 --> 01:24:13,450
have it is convenient for him don't
think it's just convenient I think he

1274
01:24:13,450 --> 01:24:14,360
really believes it

1275
01:24:14,360 --> 01:24:17,840
I mean in a sense there was a was a loss
of control

1276
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:21,410
very hard have gone through life

1277
01:24:21,410 --> 01:24:26,300
have in the past been trying to people
not believe you 90

1278
01:24:26,300 --> 01:24:30,070
like a mouse exactly I totally
understand now why you can smash it

1279
01:24:30,070 --> 01:24:33,850
I just wanted somebody to believe me

1280
01:24:33,850 --> 01:24:40,850
right must make you feel crazy not
having people believe you

1281
01:24:53,850 --> 01:24:56,680
would you be willing this summit to a
lie detector test

1282
01:24:56,680 --> 01:25:02,330
a polygraph

1283
01:25:02,330 --> 01:25:04,719
I've been asked that many times

1284
01:25:04,719 --> 01:25:11,719
and I've had doctors asked priests ask
me that my friends asked me

1285
01:25:12,930 --> 01:25:19,930
my ex-wife at that is there something

1286
01:25:20,230 --> 01:25:24,580
at that little electronic devices going
to tell you that you cannot believe more

1287
01:25:24,580 --> 01:25:25,100
than me

1288
01:25:25,100 --> 01:25:32,010
yeah what is that

1289
01:25:32,010 --> 01:25:34,929
I'm just listen to you was wayne feat
and

1290
01:25:34,929 --> 01:25:41,929
what say you I mean would you or would
you know

1291
01:25:44,470 --> 01:25:47,240
law on have words with you after this is
done

1292
01:25:47,240 --> 01:25:50,350
people and shit like down on me

1293
01:25:50,350 --> 01:25:53,630
which is not funny

1294
01:25:53,630 --> 01:25:59,570
wouldn't be doing this if I thought they
needed a fucking lie detector test

1295
01:25:59,570 --> 01:26:05,910
when I yes who I feel I need he's gonna
satisfy your fucking mind

1296
01:26:05,910 --> 01:26:09,310
I'm not saying you're lined and I'm just
asking you

1297
01:26:09,310 --> 01:26:13,030
lot of people will be asking are will I
know that

1298
01:26:13,030 --> 01:26:16,510
I knew that a long before you asked well
I'm his voice in the

1299
01:26:16,510 --> 01:26:21,060
opinion on the audience you my voice i
guess i cnt

1300
01:26:21,060 --> 01:26:25,150
anything else you like that

1301
01:26:25,150 --> 01:26:32,150
at

1302
01:28:25,620 --> 01:28:32,620
I

1303
01:28:32,860 --> 01:28:37,750
I

1304
01:28:37,750 --> 01:28:38,910
I

1305
01:28:38,910 --> 01:28:39,160
in

1306
01:28:40,305 --> 01:28:46,261
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