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- Careful, I'm moving it down ok?
- Yes yes.

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Shhh!

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On the other side.

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Attilio try to turn further,
to the other side.

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I'll go from below, you from
above.

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When there are no dogs.

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Leaves, leaves, shake the
leaves.

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- Nice?
- Good!

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We cross the leaves like
a person passing through them.

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Ready? Go!

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But what is Dario Argento's
fear?

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In short, I'm afraid of many
things.

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And the biggest fear you have
right now?

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Yes, yes, I'm really scared
that's why I also work on holidays

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there are only a few days
left until the movie starts

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and I'm afraid of the film.

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This movie is like a person

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like a bride I have to meet
and I'm afraid of being rejected

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but then she never rejects me

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I have this little fear.

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Do you feel the wind?

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But how long have we been in
the car?

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Well, it’s almost an hour.

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Couldn't we find a place closer
to home!?

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Maybe here in the countryside
you can isolate yourself a little more.

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Hello Maestro, welcome!

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Good morning.

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Come and let me introduce you
to the hotel staff.

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- Good evening, Ilaria.
- Good evening.

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- Good evening, Luce.
- Good evening.

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Good evening darling.

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- Good evening Jaime.
- Good evening.

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Please, I'll show you the way.

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We set up a small welcome
buffet.

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Thank you.

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My mom was Elda Luxardo

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who was a very famous
photographer

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of the 40s, 50s, and 60s.

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She was specialized
in showing the beauty of women.

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My school was very close

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to my mother's studio

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so after school I always went
there.

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She photographed the divas of
the time

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like Loren, Lollobrigida

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all these amazing beauties.

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And I was there
in a corner of the dressing room

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where they put on their makeup
and dressed up

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I stayed there doing my homework

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but I looked, I saw, I saw

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how they put on their make-up

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I still have the sweetish
smell of make-up in my nose.

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Then when I found myself on set
for the first time

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I immediately saw that I knew how
to show the female figure in the best way.

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Women, girls
are very important in my movies

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because I remember
how my mother depicted them

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how she elevated them.

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I start the film in seven days
and in the last days

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there are no Sundays...
Look how cute she is.

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- She is nice!
- Sweet isn't she?

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What do you like the most
about a woman? What strikes you?

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The face!

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I find his movies entertaining.

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You don’t watch them
to get sexually aroused

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you watch them because,
you know, they are exciting and effervescent.

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They leave you with a little
tachycardia which isn’t that intense

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which is neither nonsexual
nor necessarily sexual.

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There is pure excitement
like the one experienced by a kid

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who discovers coca cola
for the first time and wants more.

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You watch Dario’s movies, with screaming women,
whether it’s through a cinemascope

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or not, in extremely bright colors,
with all those hands covered with gloves

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and it’s beautiful, it’s exciting
and you just want to watch more.

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Our house was all about cinema.

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My mom was a successful
stars' photographer.

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My dad was a manager at
Unitalia.

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In the distribution
of Italian films abroad.

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Dad was friend with the
producers.

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He traveled with Gina
Lollobrigida and Sophia Loren

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who then met my mother.

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Our world was cinema,
directors, actors

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photographers.

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It was everywhere,
these were our friends were those.

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I was a kid

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I was on holiday in
the Dolomites, with my family

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and one evening we went to

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a theatre that was in town.

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They were screening

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"The Phantom of the Opera"
with Claude Rains.

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And I was moved, I liked that
film a lot.

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It revealed to me some
parts of the soul that I didn't know

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even a certain sick love
that I didn't know could exist.

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That was the first time

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that I experienced those
feelings.

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My mum

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didn't have, let's say,
a regular childhood.

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Her dad was a very adventurous
man.

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He liked to go to the centre of
Brazil

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and had no qualms about
taking his family with him.

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So no one knows where my mum
was born, she was born somewhere.

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So when she was very little

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she had misadventures
with poisonous spiders.

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This was her childhood

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and this had an impact
on Dario's upbringing.

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During the war in 1941 with
Dario newborn

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she took newborn Dario to
see his father who was in Slovenia

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on the battlefields

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because she didn't want
to leave her husband alone,

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the passion was too strong.

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My grandmother didn't like
to talk about her work.

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She was a great artist,
but after she became a mom she put her job away.

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Maybe regretfully
and she never talked about it.

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When we asked her "Grandma
take a family photo" she refused.

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When we took pictures all
together

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she struck crazy poses,
a bit retro as her photos.

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So she never taught me
anything about photography

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however I observed her work
a lot, and I believe also my father did.

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This almost supernatural
aesthetic sense

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these chiaroscuro,
these mythological poses

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it was such a perfect form of
aesthetic. It almost created complexes.

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My dad has always encouraged
Dario to read

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because the basis of culture is
reading.

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My father's library was very
extensive, there were so many books

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and I read a lot of them.

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All books for grown-ups,
that I read as a kid instead.

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What's going on Dario? You look
puzzled.

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Where the fuck did you take me?

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But why? It’s a famous hotel
People come from all over Italy.

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I hate famous hotels!

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But everyone knows
you love to write in hotels.

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I know, but I hate famous
hotels!

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So you would not write a movie
here?

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I don't know, maybe yes.

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Can you please bring us
two fruit juices, please?

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Of course.

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Thank you.

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Since the father was close
to the film press,

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when Dario finished his studies,
he sent him

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as an apprentice to
"Giornale dello Spettacolo"

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which was the official
Magazine of Italian cinema.

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Then he worked for "Paese Sera"

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but he was the assistant of
the assistant of the assistant.

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So initially they sent him
to do the review of ballets

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and things that weren’t
interesting to anyone in the editorial team

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Dario Argento, director.

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Argento, director for how long?
Didn't you start out as a film director?

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No, I've been a sailor,
so I've sailed through many harbours.

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I was a critic when I was very
young.

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Then I wrote for cinema as a screenwriter
and I thought this would be my path

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and I really liked
this solitary relationship

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with the typewriter at home.

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I loved it.

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Marisa was my high school
classmate.

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We studied together

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and so one day we were both
studying at our school friend’s house.

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We were late

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and so I asked Dario
if he could pick us up

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because our friend's house was
far away.

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I was a little annoyed I must say
because he stopped at Marisa's house

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and he talked to her for 15, 20
minutes

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while I stood there waiting for
them.

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Why did you fall in love
with Dario Argento?

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Amazing!

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I fell in love with Dario
Argento

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because I could not do
otherwise, knowing him.

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I was still in high school
and I was his sister's classmate.

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That's how I met him, we were
friends

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and so I had the opportunity to
know

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her legendary brother
who was already working for a newspaper

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and for the showbiz section!

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So he had charm,
for an eighteen year old like me.

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It was obvious that I fell in
love.

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What surprised me was
that he fell in love with me!

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Yes, I'm leaving,
everything seems fine here.

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Dario is starting to settle in.

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Yes, yes, you know how he is

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at first he hates having
everyone around, then slowly he relaxes.

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The place is beautiful,
but it's terribly hot

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but maybe you can also take a swim in the pool

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"That Italian is starting to
worry me!"

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That's what the master of
thrilling, Alfred Hitchcock, said

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after seeing Dario Argento's
first movie!

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His way of using the camera
has greatly influenced me.

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It follows the detective
who climbs the stairs and reaches the top

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and it turns on itself then
it follows him from behind again.

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The camera tells so much!

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Another one who influenced me
is Sergio Leone

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with whom I wrote,
together with Bernardo Bertolucci

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"Once Upon a Time in the West".

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I understood that him,
who had worked with the most famous

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Italian and foreign
screenwriters,

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having to make a movie where
the protagonist was a woman,

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he thought that these
screenwriters of a certain age,

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did not know women,
they didn't know how to describe women.

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He wanted to get some younger
people

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whom he thought were more
in tune with women

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and understood them better.

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We spent a long time writing
this film

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but the female character came
out.

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Also this one is kissable, she has nothing
traditional, she's modern and up-to-date.

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For those who haven't figured
it out yet

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we're on the set of
"The Bird with Crystal Plumage"

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which is nothing more
than the title of a thriller movie

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which is currently being filmed
in Rome.

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Salerno, he certainly doesn't
need advice

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instead he gives it to this
young man, a predestined victim.

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Or maybe not, maybe he is the
murderer?

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Mystery in a thriller is
mandatory

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and director Dario Argento
remained very tightlipped.

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Actually whether in art
galleries or outside, in the sky

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very few birds with crystal
plumage have been seen so far

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so for the curious ones
we will reveal the secret: Ready?

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He was already established
in cinema as a screenwriter,

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he had already written
some important screenplays

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but directing is another thing,
it's all on your shoulders.

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I remember I think the first day

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I was not on the set so I
report it,

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apparently
he did not shoot anything at all

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because he was so nervous
that he just wanted to

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get familiar with the
environment

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and my father kept telling him
"Relax, don't worry, relax."

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It was very emotional for Dario,
with no assistant director experience

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but only this great culture
of movies, that he had watched,

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analysed, reworked and discussed
with his friends and colleagues.

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But afterward, he carried on
really fast.

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Salvatore Argento,
I have a very dear memory of him,

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because I worked with him a lot.

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He was an extremely
generous man, extremely vital.

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He knew everything about cinema.

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He had already been a producer

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before doing with
Dario “The Bird with the Crystal Plumage"

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because no one at that time
wanted Dario to direct that screenplay.

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They liked the script,
they wanted to buy it

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but they didn't want Dario as
director.

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Salvatore was always behind
every movie they made together.

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He made the contracts,
negotiated, discussed

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then the fights between him and
Dario were famous because the father

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obviously had a budget,

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he knew they could not exceed
it.

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Dario, for certain reasons,
thought it was right to exceed it

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to achieve a certain effect

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and there were furious quarrels

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but quarrels that lasted no more
than an hour.

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Perhaps a movie that isn’t
even a giallo, for there is no suspense

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nor mystery around who the
killer is

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but mainly an erotic
representation

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of men murdering women,
is "Peeping Tom" by Michael Powell.

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In the aesthetic of the film,

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you can spot many elements
belonging to "Peeping Tom"

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while watching
"The Bird with the Crystal Plumage".

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I remember a phone call

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made with the old phones
still attached to the wall at home

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with Sergio Corbucci,
who was the author of a subject called "Incubus"

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which became the movie
“The Girl Who Knew Too Much"

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after "The Bird with
the Crystal Plumage" came out

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and was already a hit at the
box office.

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Sergio, who was a nice person
too

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asked my father

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"But that film is a bit
too similar to ours.

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what are we going to do here?"

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And my father told him
"What are we going to do with it?

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It's a great movie, ours went
bad

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let's be satisfied that there is
someone in Italian cinema

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who manages to bring audience
to the kind of cinema we like"

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When his first movie come out
"The Bird with the Crystal Plumage."

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I was so terrified that I didn't
even remember what I had watched.

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Yes, so my father watched
the film with Lombardo

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and I didn't want to go

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because I already knew
that Lombardo had negative thoughts.

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And instead my father
went there, he watched the movie

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and in the end everyone said

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"No, the movie isn't worth it,
it isn't worth it".

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Because it was a thriller
different

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from the other thrillers
seen up to that moment

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which were very flat

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instead this was bizarre

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full of new ideas.

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And then they all went up
in Lombardo's large studio.

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On one side there was Lombardo's
famous secretary, her name was Cesarina.

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She was eating a sandwich for
lunch

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and her hands were shaking.

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"What's up Cesarì?

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Your hands are shaking!"

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She says "The movie scared me,
It impressed me very much!”

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Goffredo listened and told

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"She doesn't understand anything
about cinema."

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When I first watched the movie

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and I saw many people entering
the cinema,

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I was proud, I was so proud of
my brother!

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I felt important to him, that's
it!

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It's Dario Argento, the director
who opened up a new dimension

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on the anguished world of fear

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Dario himself told us
how much he had been frightened

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by the bombing of Rome in 1943.

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It traumatized him.

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He probably remembered it for
long time

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but in a certain sense,
he exorcised it immediately afterwards,

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by talking about it

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by scaring me when
I was a child in this big house.

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Fear has an abstract meaning to
me.

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I make films that respect

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my intimacy, my depths

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but I don't know what real fear
is!

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When we watched movies when
I was little with my mother and father

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I remember that in suspense
scenes

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when maybe the killer appeared
from behind

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my mother screamed!

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So she scared us even more.

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But the fact of being a coward

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was not accepted.

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We lived on the top floor of
a large aristocratic building.

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He chased me into this
big house, therefore mostly dark

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in dark corridors etc. scaring
me

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and then I ran screaming
"Please stop!"

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He tested what could be scary.

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Then when the film had great
success

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Lombardo called me and told me

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"We are very happy,
we have followed you so much,

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we were always behind you!"

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I didn't remind him

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that he even wanted to
replace me halfway through the film.

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1970, a film has caught the
world's attention

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and it is in the US of Hitchcock,
the king of fear where it triumphed

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with a 2-million box office
success in the first weeks of release.

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The movie is "The Bird with the Crystal Plumage"

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by Dario Argento.

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It had never happened that an
Italian film

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was number one in the US box
office!

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Another person
who completely changed his mind

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00:23:50,555 --> 00:23:53,015
was the main actor, Tony
Musante.

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We argued throughout the film
from the first shot to the last.

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He saw me as new, so he saw
me as someone who was not capable.

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I worked in a strange way,
crooking the camera shots...

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00:24:08,322 --> 00:24:10,283
all things he didn't like.

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00:24:10,616 --> 00:24:13,744
Before leaving

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he even came to my house

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00:24:16,831 --> 00:24:18,082
and he wanted to hit me.

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He knocked on the door

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"Dario Argento
open the door! Open the door!"

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"Open the door! Open the door!"

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Kicks on the door

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I remained silent, I thought

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00:24:31,012 --> 00:24:32,930
Well, it's ten in the evening

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I may have gone to the cinema

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00:24:35,516 --> 00:24:37,226
I'm not at home

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00:24:37,602 --> 00:24:41,397
so you can hit as much as
you want against the door which is pretty sturdy

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Nothing will happen

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00:24:43,274 --> 00:24:46,068
and so finally he got fed up
and left

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00:24:46,986 --> 00:24:50,323
The film was very successful
especially in America

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00:24:51,157 --> 00:24:53,826
I got a call from Tony Musante

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who told me

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00:24:55,912 --> 00:25:00,124
“We are delighted,
we had great success together”

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00:25:00,458 --> 00:25:03,252
And I told him "Look,
that's not true, that's not the story

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00:25:03,419 --> 00:25:06,088
the story is we fought
throughout the film

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00:25:06,464 --> 00:25:08,341
We didn't love each other at
all”

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00:25:08,674 --> 00:25:11,177
The fashion for
the Italian thriller started from him

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00:25:11,302 --> 00:25:14,388
Dario Argento,
29 years old, only two films

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two animals, a bird and a cat,
two immediate successes

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Almost 3 billion gross.

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Now Argento is shooting
another film that has four flies in the title

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I met Michael Brandon in Los
Angeles

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00:25:32,323 --> 00:25:36,202
Something about him
fascinated me immediately

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00:25:36,994 --> 00:25:40,039
he looked a lot like me!

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00:25:40,748 --> 00:25:44,752
"Four Flies on Grey Velvet" is
a film that

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coincided with a first crisis
between us

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00:25:47,548 --> 00:25:49,131
a first crisis between us

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00:25:49,423 --> 00:25:54,011
What I noticed was
the incredible resemblance of the protagonists

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with us!

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00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:58,307
But

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to what point does this
resemblance correspond to us?

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00:26:03,564 --> 00:26:05,606
Do you really think that

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00:26:06,315 --> 00:26:10,569
something hard, something
difficult could happen between us?

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00:26:10,945 --> 00:26:12,822
The question was a bit like this

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00:26:13,948 --> 00:26:16,742
When there was
the first screening of the film

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my wife was there too

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00:26:19,078 --> 00:26:22,290
At the end of the film she looked at
me and asked me "What have I done to you?

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00:26:22,415 --> 00:26:24,667
For you to represent me like
this?”

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00:26:24,792 --> 00:26:29,088
But I hadn't thought at all
when I chose the actress

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00:26:29,505 --> 00:26:32,216
that she indeed looked like my
wife

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00:26:32,466 --> 00:26:35,720
in terms of expressions, face,
hair

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00:26:35,886 --> 00:26:37,888
in short, she really looked
like her!

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00:26:38,014 --> 00:26:41,183
But on the other hand we all
get inspired by our private lives

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00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,144
when making movies

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00:26:43,604 --> 00:26:45,980
once a magician I met in Turin

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00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:48,149
told me to put animals in the
title

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00:26:48,316 --> 00:26:51,360
I actually put it in the first
one because it was quite relevant

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00:26:51,485 --> 00:26:53,446
and then in the second one I
kept it

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00:26:53,571 --> 00:26:56,949
And here it's actually almost
more pertinent than in the first one

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00:26:57,074 --> 00:26:59,118
because the resolution of the thriller
entitled "Four Flies on Grey Velvet"

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00:26:59,243 --> 00:27:01,412
entitled "Four Flies on Grey
Velvet"

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00:27:01,622 --> 00:27:04,498
is precisely in finding
out what this title means

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00:27:11,630 --> 00:27:16,635
What you are about to see is the first
of the four films I’ve made for television

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00:27:16,844 --> 00:27:19,096
and it is also the first meeting
between you and me

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00:27:19,305 --> 00:27:22,892
because up to now my activity
has focused exclusively on cinema

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00:27:23,142 --> 00:27:25,646
Dario accepted
the invitation to work for television

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00:27:25,811 --> 00:27:27,938
because at the time
the Italian broadcasting company

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00:27:28,022 --> 00:27:31,067
had decided to "rejuvenate"
itself

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00:27:31,984 --> 00:27:35,656
So when his work was broadcast
Rai was overwhelmed

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00:27:35,696 --> 00:27:39,325
{\an8}with protests from quiet
people who had watched it

398
00:27:39,408 --> 00:27:43,120
{\an8}expecting a sequel to
"Melissa" or something like that

399
00:27:43,621 --> 00:27:46,624
{\an8}and had found themselves
in this sort of hellish nightmare

400
00:27:47,958 --> 00:27:51,796
We wrote this series with
Alfred Hitchcock's one in mind

401
00:27:52,129 --> 00:27:54,256
"I think you have to introduce
it"

402
00:27:54,465 --> 00:27:56,425
I told him I had seen him
acting many time

403
00:27:57,218 --> 00:27:59,303
I mean acting in real life

404
00:28:02,139 --> 00:28:06,560
And so his face became
very popular for a director

405
00:28:07,436 --> 00:28:11,941
people usually only vaguely
knew how directors looked like

406
00:28:12,566 --> 00:28:16,153
They didn't know what
they looked like, popularity was given to actors

407
00:28:16,529 --> 00:28:18,406
We were pleased with

408
00:28:18,531 --> 00:28:23,119
the success that has resulted
from the success of this project,

409
00:28:23,619 --> 00:28:26,580
but

410
00:28:26,707 --> 00:28:32,169
it also created moments
when we were overseen, stopped,

411
00:28:32,253 --> 00:28:33,879
constantly harrassed

412
00:28:34,004 --> 00:28:37,591
It had become difficult to even go
to the supermarket to do the groceries.

413
00:28:40,469 --> 00:28:43,724
Damn, it's really broken!

414
00:28:44,890 --> 00:28:46,809
And what do I do now?!

415
00:28:47,101 --> 00:28:51,272
Success is a bad companion for
a couple

416
00:28:51,730 --> 00:28:54,150
We understood this

417
00:28:54,608 --> 00:28:58,739
and then we simply noted it

418
00:29:00,322 --> 00:29:03,284
With regret, but also with the
idea that

419
00:29:03,784 --> 00:29:06,203
"Okay, let's move on"

420
00:29:13,169 --> 00:29:18,757
I think the case of “The Five Days”
is very telling of his artistic route

421
00:29:18,966 --> 00:29:20,384
He was trying to experiment

422
00:29:20,468 --> 00:29:22,219
with something in his poetic
view

423
00:29:22,428 --> 00:29:25,848
Comedy is actually
an integral part of his work

424
00:29:26,390 --> 00:29:29,226
The fact that this was
a terrible flop was for him

425
00:29:29,435 --> 00:29:31,145
I think, I wasn't born yet

426
00:29:31,312 --> 00:29:33,647
cause of great suffering,
but also a warning

427
00:29:33,774 --> 00:29:34,940
He said to himself

428
00:29:35,024 --> 00:29:39,528
"Okay, I tried, but now
I have to stick to my genre"

429
00:29:40,446 --> 00:29:45,034
Well, when we made
"The Five Days” he cared a lot about it

430
00:29:45,159 --> 00:29:49,830
because several articles by
major Italian critics ended with

431
00:29:49,955 --> 00:29:55,044
"Pity that Dario Argento wastes
his time with these ridiculous giallos"

432
00:29:55,336 --> 00:29:57,755
"He should use his talent
or more serious projects"

433
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:02,092
And Dario was indeed eager to
show that he was a versatile director

434
00:30:02,885 --> 00:30:07,848
In my opinion it was this
"failure"

435
00:30:08,432 --> 00:30:12,436
of “The Five Days" which
brought him back

436
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,313
with a vengeance

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00:30:14,438 --> 00:30:16,106
in his “Deep Red".

438
00:31:07,825 --> 00:31:12,580
When I was writing "Deep Red"
in a cottage in the countryside

439
00:31:12,873 --> 00:31:16,166
without lights and
without anything, isolated, alone

440
00:31:16,417 --> 00:31:19,086
I went there in the morning at
about 9am

441
00:31:19,295 --> 00:31:22,339
and I only left in the afternoon, at sunset

442
00:31:23,007 --> 00:31:25,426
Sometimes I was scared

443
00:31:25,801 --> 00:31:27,845
As I was digging really

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00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:32,308
into the depths of my soul

445
00:31:32,474 --> 00:31:35,060
I had moments of fear

446
00:31:35,394 --> 00:31:37,521
anguish, anxiety

447
00:32:53,555 --> 00:32:58,979
Building puzzles of different cities
for a movie, creating an imaginary city

448
00:32:59,186 --> 00:33:03,857
It was the right choice,
a great idea it seems trivial

449
00:33:03,982 --> 00:33:07,778
But it's the great idea
that gave a particular shine to his films

450
00:33:07,986 --> 00:33:12,324
Because they were Italian,
but not from a precise Italian city

451
00:33:20,290 --> 00:33:23,585
When Argento had just
finished shooting "Deep Red"

452
00:33:23,711 --> 00:33:26,213
he was working on
the soundtrack with Giorgio Gaslini

453
00:33:26,296 --> 00:33:28,882
who had already
collaborated with him for "The Five Days".

454
00:33:29,341 --> 00:33:31,051
But he wanted

455
00:33:31,301 --> 00:33:32,678
a little more rock music

456
00:33:32,761 --> 00:33:35,639
because Giorgio Gaslini was
too traditional with the orchestra

457
00:33:35,806 --> 00:33:38,183
So he said to the sound engineer of the film

458
00:33:38,267 --> 00:33:40,853
Carlo Bixio of Cinevox Record

459
00:33:41,103 --> 00:33:43,897
that he wanted Pink Floyd
or Deep Purple

460
00:34:04,626 --> 00:34:05,836
Carlo Bixio said to Dario

461
00:34:05,919 --> 00:34:08,255
“Why don't you listen
to these guys I’m producing?”

462
00:34:08,338 --> 00:34:11,508
and Dario came to the studio
and he listened to our music and said

463
00:34:11,592 --> 00:34:13,677
"Here, they can fit!"

464
00:34:14,178 --> 00:34:17,556
We have been quite disruptive

465
00:34:17,765 --> 00:34:21,518
because we combined 70s rock

466
00:34:21,727 --> 00:34:25,230
with a thriller movie,
which had never been done before

467
00:34:27,858 --> 00:34:33,447
I had already made films that
had been extremely successful

468
00:34:33,614 --> 00:34:37,284
but I thought
I was doing something different

469
00:34:37,451 --> 00:34:38,994
something dreamlike,

470
00:34:40,621 --> 00:34:42,456
something unrealistic

471
00:34:42,664 --> 00:34:44,082
Putting art

472
00:34:44,208 --> 00:34:49,046
into a sort of great mixer of
styles

473
00:34:49,171 --> 00:34:52,092
There was the fascist style of
Turin

474
00:34:52,216 --> 00:34:55,469
there was the art déco villa

475
00:34:55,677 --> 00:35:00,432
A big cauldron
where I put all my aspirations

476
00:35:02,142 --> 00:35:04,603
"Deep Red" was released in
theaters

477
00:35:04,770 --> 00:35:08,899
And it sold 1 million albums
in just the first ten months

478
00:35:09,107 --> 00:35:11,401
At the time
the Gold Record prize was 1 million albums

479
00:35:11,485 --> 00:35:15,115
now all the discography
put together reaches 1 million

480
00:35:15,614 --> 00:35:17,032
Well those were different times!

481
00:35:17,241 --> 00:35:19,451
So we held the record

482
00:35:19,743 --> 00:35:23,956
of being perhaps the best-selling
album in the history of Italian music.

483
00:35:24,081 --> 00:35:26,375
"Deep Red" sold more than 4
million records!

484
00:35:28,877 --> 00:35:31,338
She was a woman
with a very strong character

485
00:35:31,463 --> 00:35:32,840
very important

486
00:35:33,131 --> 00:35:36,677
of great culture,
she was a very cultured person

487
00:35:36,885 --> 00:35:39,012
She inspired me in many things

488
00:35:39,304 --> 00:35:43,642
We travelled a lot together
during my trips around the world

489
00:35:44,059 --> 00:35:46,436
she supported me

490
00:35:46,687 --> 00:35:51,233
We discovered the Eastern
civilizations

491
00:35:52,152 --> 00:35:53,861
the Andean civilizations

492
00:35:54,152 --> 00:35:57,739
She has been very important to
me

493
00:35:59,449 --> 00:36:00,909
Then it finished,

494
00:36:01,285 --> 00:36:02,661
on the other hand

495
00:36:03,078 --> 00:36:05,080
everything ends sooner or later.

496
00:36:07,499 --> 00:36:09,751
How important has love been in
your life?

497
00:36:10,210 --> 00:36:12,462
Well it’s important for
everyone.

498
00:36:13,213 --> 00:36:17,926
But I also think that
in this era that we are living,

499
00:36:18,802 --> 00:36:23,640
love, the ancient love, Dante's
love

500
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,769
is no longer so powerful
because there are so many distractions

501
00:36:27,853 --> 00:36:29,313
there is television, you can
travel easily.

502
00:36:29,438 --> 00:36:33,483
Once people lived
in small houses with no light.

503
00:36:33,692 --> 00:36:37,905
Only with candles, in
the evening it was cold people needed capes.

504
00:36:37,946 --> 00:36:40,324
They fell ill easily
and they all had bad breath

505
00:36:40,449 --> 00:36:41,366
because of stomach diseases.

506
00:36:41,450 --> 00:36:42,701
They had toothaches
and there were no dentists.

507
00:36:42,826 --> 00:36:45,329
So once upon a time,
love was the only thing...

508
00:36:45,454 --> 00:36:46,747
the only entertainment, like a
leisure

509
00:36:46,872 --> 00:36:50,167
Now there are many leisure activities
there are discos where you can have fun,

510
00:36:50,250 --> 00:36:55,422
you can travel, there are football
matches on television, there are videogames

511
00:36:55,714 --> 00:36:59,718
In short, it has become less
the center of the universe, I think

512
00:37:17,069 --> 00:37:19,154
"Suspiria" is a bit

513
00:37:19,321 --> 00:37:21,406
the elephant in the room

514
00:37:21,657 --> 00:37:25,077
for my family and for my life

515
00:37:25,827 --> 00:37:29,665
Because my mother
used to tell one story about it

516
00:37:29,790 --> 00:37:30,874
and my father another.

517
00:37:31,208 --> 00:37:33,543
According to my mother as we
all know

518
00:37:33,627 --> 00:37:35,671
it's a very personal story

519
00:37:35,754 --> 00:37:37,756
it was my great-grandmother's
story.

520
00:37:38,006 --> 00:37:39,257
Witchcraft...

521
00:37:39,341 --> 00:37:43,303
things that were definitely part
of my mother's universe.

522
00:37:43,679 --> 00:37:46,682
I've never seen my father
studying the magical arts,

523
00:37:46,765 --> 00:37:49,351
instead my mother
had a lot of books about it

524
00:37:49,434 --> 00:37:52,312
it was definitely my mother’s
subject.

525
00:37:59,277 --> 00:38:01,655
With "Suspiria"
we have truly created a genre

526
00:38:01,822 --> 00:38:03,407
that cannot be said to be
inimitable

527
00:38:03,490 --> 00:38:06,618
because it has been imitated
by many other musicians.

528
00:38:06,785 --> 00:38:09,121
Let's say the real music,
the real Goblin sound

529
00:38:09,287 --> 00:38:10,706
it's more like "Suspiria".

530
00:38:11,039 --> 00:38:13,293
Screening, ready?
Ready? Go!

531
00:38:14,292 --> 00:38:17,546
It is the key that lets us know
where the teachers go every night!

532
00:38:18,672 --> 00:38:23,010
I discovered it yesterday
evening, I wrote everything here next to you!

533
00:38:24,177 --> 00:38:27,097
Susy you don't know anything
about witches!

534
00:38:27,264 --> 00:38:30,809
We have experienced a lot,
we used ethnic tools,

535
00:38:30,892 --> 00:38:34,438
we used bouzouki,
the Indian tabla, the Greek bouzouki.

536
00:38:42,571 --> 00:38:44,322
Then I brought in a big Moog

537
00:38:44,531 --> 00:38:45,824
to make electronic music

538
00:38:46,616 --> 00:38:49,036
in short, it was a very
avant-garde work.

539
00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:51,663
Still today when I listen to it,

540
00:38:51,747 --> 00:38:53,457
we were way ahead!

541
00:39:03,633 --> 00:39:05,802
But I know this situation,

542
00:39:05,886 --> 00:39:10,057
has been the beginning of
the end of my parents' relationship.

543
00:39:10,807 --> 00:39:15,145
This son "Suspiria" which
belongs to both,

544
00:39:15,355 --> 00:39:18,732
it was a film,
a child they had made together.

545
00:39:19,066 --> 00:39:21,651
Son of a great love and a great
passion.

546
00:39:22,527 --> 00:39:24,364
But in my opinion the thing was
that

547
00:39:24,404 --> 00:39:28,950
my mother was supposed to play
the main character, I think eh!

548
00:39:29,076 --> 00:39:30,911
My mother talked about it a lot

549
00:39:30,994 --> 00:39:32,454
it was a resentment

550
00:39:33,121 --> 00:39:35,290
until the end of her days.

551
00:39:37,084 --> 00:39:41,381
It's kind of something we can't
talk about

552
00:39:41,755 --> 00:39:43,632
but it is certainly

553
00:39:44,341 --> 00:39:46,635
the most loved movie abroad.

554
00:39:47,385 --> 00:39:51,056
But I recognize a lot
of my mother in this story.

555
00:39:52,224 --> 00:39:53,558
there is a lot of her

556
00:39:54,392 --> 00:39:55,894
and also in "Inferno"

557
00:41:18,602 --> 00:41:20,437
I am anxious before starting a
movie.

558
00:41:20,562 --> 00:41:21,104
Why?

559
00:41:21,188 --> 00:41:25,150
I can't get rid of that so much
stress

560
00:41:26,151 --> 00:41:30,322
so from the film,
I always get very strong depression,

561
00:41:30,572 --> 00:41:33,658
I think about suicide,
even if I shouldn't say it, though

562
00:41:33,909 --> 00:41:35,368
tonight I can tell you anything.

563
00:41:37,704 --> 00:41:40,832
I felt like a pull towards the
window,

564
00:41:41,499 --> 00:41:42,959
to almost throw myself out.

565
00:41:43,043 --> 00:41:47,088
I don't know why,
everything was fine the movie was good

566
00:41:47,547 --> 00:41:51,259
I had a lot of fun,
I went out a lot after I got divorced

567
00:41:51,635 --> 00:41:56,097
I was single, I went out,
I had a lot of girlfriends

568
00:41:56,556 --> 00:41:58,225
it was wonderful!

569
00:41:58,642 --> 00:42:01,978
I remember that I lived
in a hotel in via Veneto

570
00:42:02,395 --> 00:42:04,481
while I was making a film,
called "Suspiria"

571
00:42:04,898 --> 00:42:06,107
and

572
00:42:06,358 --> 00:42:10,403
almost every night I was taken from
this desire to throw myself out the window

573
00:42:10,612 --> 00:42:13,698
I spoke about it with a doctor
friend of mine and he told me

574
00:42:14,032 --> 00:42:19,204
"put a wardrobe in front of
the window. Do you have a wardrobe?"

575
00:42:19,537 --> 00:42:22,040
And in fact I barricaded this
window

576
00:42:22,207 --> 00:42:24,751
with the wardrobe,
a small table and a chair

577
00:42:25,252 --> 00:42:27,879
The suicidal idea is very quick,

578
00:42:28,713 --> 00:42:30,173
it comes to you

579
00:42:30,674 --> 00:42:34,761
and if you have to move the
wardrobe

580
00:42:35,679 --> 00:42:37,557
to turn, work, open,

581
00:42:38,682 --> 00:42:39,683
it has already passed.

582
00:42:39,975 --> 00:42:43,478
- But why did you want to die?
- I had absolutely no reason to!

583
00:42:44,312 --> 00:42:48,692
I have no idea
why this thought came to me...

584
00:42:48,942 --> 00:42:50,652
Because, in fact, I was happy

585
00:42:51,444 --> 00:42:52,320
Strange!

586
00:42:52,404 --> 00:42:56,116
And weren’t the two daughters
a reason that could bind you to life?

587
00:42:56,241 --> 00:43:02,664
In fact the idea of committing
suicide made me sad for their pain.

588
00:43:02,956 --> 00:43:07,961
But I thought that I was so sad
anyway, that I was not of help for the girls.

589
00:43:12,966 --> 00:43:15,343
For me he is my family,

590
00:43:15,552 --> 00:43:19,681
my world, my everything,
it has always been like this.

591
00:43:19,764 --> 00:43:21,725
My mother traveled a lot for
work

592
00:43:21,850 --> 00:43:26,104
and I've always been with him
he’s my point of reference.

593
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,024
He is my dad!

594
00:43:36,823 --> 00:43:38,366
How are you here?

595
00:43:38,658 --> 00:43:41,494
At first I thought it was
terrible

596
00:43:41,911 --> 00:43:47,000
because I didn't like the people
who stay in this hotel but the weather is good,

597
00:43:47,125 --> 00:43:51,838
then I'm always by myself,
always writing,

598
00:43:51,963 --> 00:43:55,842
so basically
I meet people only when I eat,

599
00:43:56,301 --> 00:43:59,137
otherwise I don't see anyone,
for me it's the same

600
00:43:59,262 --> 00:44:00,930
this or another hotel,

601
00:44:01,514 --> 00:44:02,682
eventually it is the same.

602
00:44:05,685 --> 00:44:08,646
My family was very close
when my grandfather was around.

603
00:44:08,938 --> 00:44:11,691
On Sundays we all went to have lunch together,

604
00:44:11,775 --> 00:44:14,486
the classic bourgeois family
thing to do.

605
00:44:14,736 --> 00:44:17,947
Keeping the family together,
that was him!

606
00:44:18,031 --> 00:44:21,785
In fact, when he became sick,
the family fell apart.

607
00:44:21,910 --> 00:44:23,578
These lunches never happened
again.

608
00:44:23,870 --> 00:44:28,750
I remember my mother hated them,
these bourgeois Sunday lunches,

609
00:44:29,167 --> 00:44:31,920
instead for me they were
fantastic.

610
00:44:32,045 --> 00:44:34,547
I think they were important

611
00:44:34,756 --> 00:44:38,593
to my father, who has a bourgeois
spirit. They are important for his stability.

612
00:44:38,802 --> 00:44:43,056
I mean, he had these
emotional peaks through his work,

613
00:44:43,264 --> 00:44:44,891
to have

614
00:44:45,308 --> 00:44:47,602
such a strong basis

615
00:44:47,936 --> 00:44:50,855
it helped him, held him steady

616
00:45:01,116 --> 00:45:06,121
{\an8}Even now, I sometimes dream
of working on that film!

617
00:45:13,253 --> 00:45:17,257
Everyone who worked on it knew

618
00:45:17,340 --> 00:45:19,843
they were doing something
different.

619
00:47:06,991 --> 00:47:12,205
For example, when Dario made
Inferno with an American production,

620
00:47:12,497 --> 00:47:17,919
he was shooting with a studio
that wanted to teach him how life works

621
00:47:18,419 --> 00:47:22,340
as they’re used to explaining to
directors how to make a movie more profitable.

622
00:47:22,882 --> 00:47:26,010
Dario thought “We’re using
American money,

623
00:47:26,094 --> 00:47:28,763
we have plenty of it,
so we can do even crazier things!"

624
00:47:29,013 --> 00:47:33,309
"We’re going to make movies
as crazy as Fellini’s"

625
00:47:33,434 --> 00:47:35,853
"delirious, oneiric ones,
which were a success”.

626
00:47:36,145 --> 00:47:40,775
In order to make "Satyricon",
Fellini used American money too

627
00:47:40,860 --> 00:47:43,069
and Americans gave him
a lot of artistic freedom

628
00:47:43,152 --> 00:47:44,904
so that he could be as extreme
in his movie as he wished to

629
00:47:45,029 --> 00:47:47,365
Dario thought he had enough
money

630
00:47:47,574 --> 00:47:50,368
even to outperform the craziness
of his own films.

631
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:51,911
Then they told him

632
00:47:51,995 --> 00:47:54,874
“That’s not what we want
narratively speaking, etc.” .

633
00:47:54,914 --> 00:47:57,584
For someone who had begun
filming

634
00:47:57,667 --> 00:47:58,835
through the production of his
father

635
00:47:58,876 --> 00:48:00,587
Who would always defend

636
00:48:00,795 --> 00:48:04,048
and recommend him
to investors and distributors.

637
00:48:04,299 --> 00:48:09,637
He could not fathom what they
meant

638
00:48:10,096 --> 00:48:13,683
and how money could rewrite his
work

639
00:48:13,975 --> 00:48:18,438
Inferno is written as if it was
a dream,

640
00:48:18,563 --> 00:48:20,900
kind of like “Age of Gold"
or "An Andalusian Dog" by Buñel.

641
00:48:21,316 --> 00:48:25,236
The movie might be harder to
understand.

642
00:48:26,821 --> 00:48:29,657
It is the film
that has taken most of my time

643
00:48:29,741 --> 00:48:32,118
because I wrote part of it in
New York

644
00:48:32,493 --> 00:48:35,622
in winter, while it was snowing

645
00:48:35,915 --> 00:48:39,083
and I stayed in the hotel and
wrote

646
00:48:39,500 --> 00:48:41,919
I wrote, I wasn’t satisfied.

647
00:48:42,128 --> 00:48:46,382
The months went by,
it was too difficult, it was an alchemic film,

648
00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:47,842
it was an enigmatic film.

649
00:48:49,052 --> 00:48:52,347
The president of 20th Century
Fox,

650
00:48:52,472 --> 00:48:54,182
she watched it sitting next to
me

651
00:48:54,724 --> 00:48:57,560
At the end she told me

652
00:48:58,603 --> 00:49:01,439
"Look... I didn't understand
some things

653
00:49:01,689 --> 00:49:03,399
and I think the audience won't
understand”.

654
00:49:04,859 --> 00:49:07,195
It was released in theaters
in the rest of the world,

655
00:49:07,487 --> 00:49:09,322
but not in America

656
00:49:09,530 --> 00:49:12,950
because the American
audience is not used to this kind of cinema,

657
00:49:13,076 --> 00:49:17,497
so enigmatic and so full of unsolved mysteries.

658
00:49:17,705 --> 00:49:21,376
I let the audience watch the
scene

659
00:49:21,709 --> 00:49:27,507
and try to understand why,
what did that sentence mean.

660
00:49:28,049 --> 00:49:30,885
In some countries such as
England

661
00:49:31,094 --> 00:49:34,430
it was also a great success
from the audience,

662
00:49:35,056 --> 00:49:39,394
so these riddles actually
interested the audience.

663
00:49:42,980 --> 00:49:44,565
Do you want to scare me?!

664
00:49:45,358 --> 00:49:50,405
{\an8}We are live with “Blitz",
a lighting bolt ripping the darkness.

665
00:49:52,156 --> 00:49:53,908
Let's hear what the music is
like

666
00:49:54,325 --> 00:49:55,785
Slowly, slowly.

667
00:49:57,495 --> 00:49:59,497
Grow, grow, grow.

668
00:50:36,659 --> 00:50:39,328
"Tenebrae" brought Argento
back to the beginning

669
00:50:39,537 --> 00:50:43,124
he went back to making a Giallo
with a classic story

670
00:50:43,416 --> 00:50:45,918
of the assassin who kills
everyone with his black glove.

671
00:50:46,043 --> 00:50:49,130
And he wanted the Goblins again
for this occasion,

672
00:50:49,297 --> 00:50:53,342
but it was not possible because
we had split up in 1978.

673
00:50:53,426 --> 00:50:55,970
After the Goblins,
I completely changed genre.

674
00:50:56,055 --> 00:50:57,472
I started making dance music.

675
00:50:57,597 --> 00:51:01,184
I thought that "Tenebrae"
should have more modern music

676
00:51:01,267 --> 00:51:04,063
and less 70s rock

677
00:51:19,827 --> 00:51:21,829
Completely electronic work was
done

678
00:51:21,913 --> 00:51:24,665
in fact there is not even
a drummer, there is the electronic battery

679
00:51:24,832 --> 00:51:26,501
a kind of electronic rock.

680
00:51:56,113 --> 00:52:00,743
When I was assistant on
“Tenebrae” and I met Dario's family

681
00:52:01,118 --> 00:52:03,496
I used to see in the cinema

682
00:52:03,663 --> 00:52:05,915
"Salvatore Argento presents"

683
00:52:06,125 --> 00:52:08,459
"a film by Dario Argento"

684
00:52:08,751 --> 00:52:11,254
"produced by Claudio Argento"

685
00:52:12,255 --> 00:52:14,715
"written and directed by Dario
Argento"

686
00:52:15,258 --> 00:52:20,388
You entered a universe where
you say "Are these all from the same family?"

687
00:52:20,513 --> 00:52:24,684
As I said before,
Argento, Argento means silver

688
00:52:24,976 --> 00:52:28,479
and silver is a tinkling thing,
a precious thing...

689
00:52:29,647 --> 00:52:30,481
No, instead

690
00:52:30,648 --> 00:52:32,191
let's butcher people!

691
00:52:49,834 --> 00:52:53,379
The Louma was a device
that no one had ever used.

692
00:52:53,588 --> 00:52:57,925
This Louma started from a point
and circled the whole house

693
00:52:58,092 --> 00:53:00,179
and it entered the window
from the other side.

694
00:53:00,511 --> 00:53:03,681
I remember when it was told to
the troupe

695
00:53:03,848 --> 00:53:05,516
of “The Passenger” by Antonioni,

696
00:53:05,683 --> 00:53:08,477
that the camera would
go out the window in the ending

697
00:53:08,561 --> 00:53:12,398
there was this idea of doing
things

698
00:53:12,523 --> 00:53:15,151
that would remain in history,
as it has remained in the history of cinema

699
00:53:34,128 --> 00:53:35,922
Dario was immediately

700
00:53:36,047 --> 00:53:39,550
very welcoming and affectionate
with me truly like an older brother,

701
00:53:39,675 --> 00:53:43,721
both he and Lamberto
protected me because I was very young.

702
00:53:43,846 --> 00:53:48,184
There are a lot
of strange people in this job

703
00:53:48,517 --> 00:53:51,562
and they were afraid
that I might take a bad turn

704
00:53:51,729 --> 00:53:54,231
because there were those
who drank after midnight

705
00:53:54,565 --> 00:53:57,026
and he told me
"Be careful, don't drink

706
00:53:57,151 --> 00:53:58,903
If they offer you a drink, say
no!”

707
00:53:59,028 --> 00:54:00,529
I told him "But I don't
drink, what should I care".

708
00:54:01,447 --> 00:54:04,784
Both of your two daughters
have decided to come and live with you

709
00:54:04,909 --> 00:54:06,661
when they were very young.

710
00:54:07,078 --> 00:54:12,375
What was family life
like with two girls to raise?

711
00:54:12,792 --> 00:54:17,004
Like the ones of all fathers
actually.

712
00:54:17,505 --> 00:54:21,759
And therefore I also
had a double responsibility,

713
00:54:21,968 --> 00:54:28,140
and so this pushed me to
be more involved in the family

714
00:54:28,766 --> 00:54:31,143
For me it was a beautiful
experience

715
00:54:33,562 --> 00:54:38,943
Fiore, will your dad get angry ona
the set, but does he get angry also at home?

716
00:54:39,443 --> 00:54:41,112
Has it ever happened with you?

717
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,280
Sure, yes!

718
00:54:43,739 --> 00:54:47,660
- It happens to argue
- Of course!

719
00:54:48,369 --> 00:54:50,413
They can't be left as...

720
00:54:50,871 --> 00:54:52,623
a wild horse that

721
00:54:52,707 --> 00:54:53,207
*BANG ♪

722
00:54:53,290 --> 00:54:55,001
you pat its ass and say "Go!"

723
00:54:55,084 --> 00:54:56,502
And it goes.

724
00:54:57,712 --> 00:54:59,630
No, that's not how

725
00:55:00,131 --> 00:55:02,925
you raise a child.

726
00:55:04,010 --> 00:55:07,763
There's absolute equality
with both daughters

727
00:55:07,930 --> 00:55:10,725
and I have to say,
it's a thing I don't see often

728
00:55:10,891 --> 00:55:14,895
which I don't see much in other
families.

729
00:55:14,979 --> 00:55:18,274
So he does one thing for one
he also does one thing for the other

730
00:55:18,399 --> 00:55:19,650
there has always been.

731
00:55:19,859 --> 00:55:23,654
And it must be difficult too
always having to balance

732
00:55:23,738 --> 00:55:28,117
a smile to one, then a smile to
the other, a good word, a good word

733
00:55:28,284 --> 00:55:30,161
a help, a help, a trip, a trip.

734
00:55:31,454 --> 00:55:35,624
Never do a little less for one
or a little less for the other

735
00:55:37,043 --> 00:55:37,877
How come?

736
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,921
Yes, yes, it's something
that comes instinctive though,

737
00:55:41,338 --> 00:55:45,009
that you know you have
to do this, and so you will!

738
00:56:03,362 --> 00:56:06,655
You chose both your daughters
in movies

739
00:56:06,947 --> 00:56:11,285
the first was Fiore in
"Creepers", making her debut

740
00:56:11,410 --> 00:56:15,581
and you immediately murdered
her. Why did he make that choice?

741
00:56:15,664 --> 00:56:19,126
Did it have a meaning
or was it just for fun?

742
00:56:19,418 --> 00:56:21,378
No, no, it's not fun.

743
00:56:21,462 --> 00:56:23,589
Making movies is serious
business!

744
00:56:23,839 --> 00:56:26,509
Serious and demanding

745
00:56:26,759 --> 00:56:29,929
no, it's never been a joke,
entertainment is different

746
00:56:30,805 --> 00:56:35,643
No, I wrote this film
having my daughter near me

747
00:56:36,060 --> 00:56:38,020
who was 13 years old,

748
00:56:38,229 --> 00:56:42,024
and I saw her and said
"I think she could do it right"

749
00:56:42,149 --> 00:56:43,943
I thought "But she's not an
actress

750
00:56:44,068 --> 00:56:47,154
Oh well, but nobody is
really an actress at 13"

751
00:56:57,581 --> 00:57:00,835
During a dinner, it was a party

752
00:57:00,918 --> 00:57:03,420
Where there were various movie
people

753
00:57:03,712 --> 00:57:07,800
someone thought to play a game.

754
00:57:08,300 --> 00:57:10,553
That is "Who would you like
to be in cinema?"

755
00:57:10,928 --> 00:57:14,723
And I said "I would like to be Daria Nicolodi"

756
00:57:14,974 --> 00:57:16,684
"Wait, why?"

757
00:57:16,767 --> 00:57:21,397
"Because she writes films
with Dario Argento".

758
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:27,403
And since I was a big fan
of Dario Argento,

759
00:57:27,444 --> 00:57:30,990
who I didn’t meet yet,
I expressed this wish.

760
00:57:31,115 --> 00:57:35,077
And in fact then I became after
not long

761
00:57:35,202 --> 00:57:36,120
Daria Nicolodi.

762
00:57:37,955 --> 00:57:42,251
"Creepers" is the first film
we wrote together

763
00:57:43,210 --> 00:57:47,381
and for him it was a turning
point because it was the first film that

764
00:57:47,466 --> 00:57:51,844
he produced or attempted
to produce by himself

765
00:57:52,303 --> 00:57:54,847
So he told me "I can't go wrong"

766
00:57:55,055 --> 00:57:59,226
and in fact we had taken
a long time to write this screenplay

767
00:57:59,351 --> 00:58:01,478
and at first he gave me some
input.

768
00:58:01,687 --> 00:58:03,189
One was

769
00:58:04,690 --> 00:58:08,360
"In my films there is always
the family"

770
00:58:08,444 --> 00:58:12,364
And there is family in
"Creepers", an absent family

771
00:58:13,157 --> 00:58:13,908
but there is one!

772
00:58:14,074 --> 00:58:17,828
The main character, she is looking
for her father, she is looking for a mother

773
00:58:19,663 --> 00:58:24,501
Usually the directors like
staying in the shade for a while.

774
00:58:24,627 --> 00:58:27,880
Meaning that only the actors
are shown

775
00:58:27,963 --> 00:58:31,091
Instead Dario was a character
who everybody knew

776
00:58:31,175 --> 00:58:33,135
also because he is very
particular.

777
00:58:33,260 --> 00:58:35,638
And I have to say
that when we were hanging out

778
00:58:35,721 --> 00:58:38,515
I was also a bit his "bodyguard"

779
00:58:38,599 --> 00:58:43,312
because everyone went to him to
ask for autographs, to bust his balls

780
00:58:43,979 --> 00:58:45,814
I think it’s hard.

781
00:58:46,273 --> 00:58:49,193
And I must say he has
always given himself to everyone!

782
00:58:49,318 --> 00:58:53,948
You told that years ago there was
a more homemade variant, a famous double

783
00:58:54,031 --> 00:58:56,992
a doppelgänger of Dario Argento,
who pretended to be you.

784
00:58:57,076 --> 00:59:01,330
He went around Rome
claiming to be Dario Argento,

785
00:59:02,665 --> 00:59:04,458
what did he do?

786
00:59:04,917 --> 00:59:08,963
He went to restaurants to eat
and he said that he was Dario Argento

787
00:59:09,046 --> 00:59:12,967
and that he didn't have any
change, but it would pass after a few days.

788
00:59:13,092 --> 00:59:16,512
He had nothing to do with me,
because he was a guy with long hair

789
00:59:16,553 --> 00:59:18,889
with a prophet's long beard.

790
00:59:18,973 --> 00:59:22,142
They reported him,
they took him to the police.

791
00:59:22,268 --> 00:59:25,271
And he started looking for me,

792
00:59:25,354 --> 00:59:30,025
I had to do a press conference
where I should have said

793
00:59:30,317 --> 00:59:32,945
that he was not Dario Argento.

794
00:59:33,112 --> 00:59:35,614
"You have to do it by force, by
force

795
00:59:35,864 --> 00:59:38,450
otherwise, when I meet you,
I'll slaughter you!"

796
00:59:38,659 --> 00:59:42,997
There were a lot of mythomaniacs
stalking him, not just that guy.

797
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:45,791
We just told that guy over there
"Listen, what do you want?"

798
00:59:45,874 --> 00:59:48,377
Now we are working,
you have to leave us alone,

799
00:59:48,460 --> 00:59:49,962
otherwise we call the police.

800
00:59:50,045 --> 00:59:53,173
Then there was Cozzi
who was quite energetic

801
00:59:53,257 --> 00:59:56,010
They started to fight,

802
00:59:56,176 --> 01:00:01,557
and this was a lesson, I think a good
one for him, because he never showed up again

803
01:00:02,601 --> 01:00:03,267
He

804
01:00:04,310 --> 01:00:08,397
Lion in cinema, sheep in life!
I mean he was scared.

805
01:00:08,772 --> 01:00:13,694
And now I don't remember
the names of the women who stalked him

806
01:00:13,819 --> 01:00:15,446
who became obsessed with him

807
01:00:44,099 --> 01:00:48,354
Dario called me
and told me he wanted to see me.

808
01:00:48,437 --> 01:00:54,777
I said yes and he said "Well,
come on, let's go for a short trip

809
01:00:54,943 --> 01:00:58,322
I'll pick you up at your house,
then I drop you off at your house

810
01:00:58,530 --> 01:01:00,741
In the meantime,
I'll tell you about the movie".

811
01:01:42,866 --> 01:01:47,830
So, he came to pick me up at
my house and we left with the car.

812
01:01:47,996 --> 01:01:51,125
It was a very long ride for me.

813
01:01:51,375 --> 01:01:55,671
He told me the idea he had,
how he wanted to realize it

814
01:01:55,712 --> 01:01:59,508
He insisted that
I was the perfect character

815
01:01:59,591 --> 01:02:03,637
that Betty was a very pure girl.

816
01:02:03,722 --> 01:02:06,932
It was a word he used a lot.

817
01:02:07,307 --> 01:02:11,103
The atmosphere on the set
was one of of great professionalism,

818
01:02:11,145 --> 01:02:17,526
everyone was focused on
their plot and a lot of respect for Dario

819
01:02:17,901 --> 01:02:18,986
everyone.

820
01:02:19,111 --> 01:02:24,533
He usually speaks very softly,
which I thought was exquisite.

821
01:02:24,741 --> 01:02:27,703
It was a lot of fun
because he is very nervous

822
01:02:27,786 --> 01:02:31,665
and then, well, he was
talking to me, in five minutes

823
01:02:31,750 --> 01:02:35,127
he would transfer the magic,
the electricity to me

824
01:02:35,169 --> 01:02:37,713
and then he would go to the
cameraman

825
01:02:37,756 --> 01:02:39,131
and say "This is how it’s done".

826
01:02:39,173 --> 01:02:42,134
Then to the one with the light,
he was at the one with the light and makeup,

827
01:02:42,176 --> 01:02:45,012
he was like a lizard
moving all over the place.

828
01:02:45,179 --> 01:02:49,224
But it was him, all
the rest of us revolved around him.

829
01:02:49,766 --> 01:02:52,561
It's coming at you, no no!

830
01:02:53,395 --> 01:02:54,730
One here!

831
01:02:55,105 --> 01:02:57,691
Look here Cristina, you look at
him here!

832
01:02:58,442 --> 01:03:01,195
Yes, come forward, come forward

833
01:03:06,074 --> 01:03:09,661
Ok, you say "no, no, I said no!"
ZAM! He got stabbed.

834
01:03:09,870 --> 01:03:12,748
And he fell on your feet,
he is here next to your feet.

835
01:03:13,081 --> 01:03:18,879
Every morning they put
the adhesive plastes on me with the pins.

836
01:03:19,004 --> 01:03:21,673
Dario always came
when I had scenes like that

837
01:03:21,757 --> 01:03:24,259
he would always come to my side,
and he would always say to me like this

838
01:03:24,343 --> 01:03:25,761
they're not going to take off,
are they?

839
01:03:26,553 --> 01:03:28,013
He would check

840
01:03:28,222 --> 01:03:30,432
"No, no, you've got it well glued, very good."

841
01:03:30,557 --> 01:03:35,729
It was very uncomfortable a lot of times,
because I couldn't move my eyes very well.

842
01:03:35,938 --> 01:03:37,564
For him, it was all natural

843
01:03:37,648 --> 01:03:41,026
and he made us feel natural
about everything that was going on.

844
01:03:46,156 --> 01:03:50,577
{\an8}Dario makes a very particular
kind of film

845
01:03:50,869 --> 01:03:55,123
{\an8}which also does not follow
the Italian tradition of cinema.

846
01:03:55,457 --> 01:03:58,837
Dario Argento movies were
famous abroad

847
01:03:59,211 --> 01:04:01,505
where the culture of these kind
of films

848
01:04:01,588 --> 01:04:04,341
was at its peak
and moreover also in America.

849
01:04:04,883 --> 01:04:08,554
And a friendship was born
between me and Dario

850
01:04:08,637 --> 01:04:10,305
I think before even making the
film.

851
01:04:10,722 --> 01:04:15,854
And then I remember we made
a good film, one of the best we have ever made

852
01:04:16,103 --> 01:04:18,564
and then it went well all over
the world.

853
01:04:18,647 --> 01:04:21,400
You stomp on him,
do you understand?! Like this

854
01:04:21,483 --> 01:04:24,903
Yes, hard! You're a fury,
understood?!

855
01:04:25,195 --> 01:04:27,990
There was also tension
between him and Marsillach

856
01:04:28,407 --> 01:04:30,242
because she must be wet

857
01:04:30,325 --> 01:04:34,871
and he wanted something to
be seen through the white blouse.

858
01:04:34,955 --> 01:04:39,835
She didn't want to take
off her bra, then Dario sent me

859
01:04:39,876 --> 01:04:44,423
to say "Cristina could
you please remove your bra?"

860
01:04:44,506 --> 01:04:48,010
And she said first yes,
then no, then she lifted it a bit.

861
01:04:48,135 --> 01:04:50,679
Then when I went back to Dario,
he asked me "So?!"

862
01:04:51,805 --> 01:04:52,931
“No, she says no”

863
01:04:52,973 --> 01:04:58,520
And he, in fact, was so angry
that he stopped talking to her.

864
01:05:00,355 --> 01:05:04,276
The feeling I get from
Dario Argento as a director of actors

865
01:05:04,401 --> 01:05:05,652
for me

866
01:05:06,111 --> 01:05:08,907
it's wonderful,
because he helped me a lot.

867
01:05:09,031 --> 01:05:13,577
I don't know if he did
it intentionally or not, but he helped me a lot.

868
01:05:13,660 --> 01:05:19,918
That coldness, that detachment,
even contempt for me

869
01:05:20,334 --> 01:05:23,045
that he didn't talk to me,
or gave me directions

870
01:05:23,128 --> 01:05:25,005
in a very cold way, right?

871
01:05:25,088 --> 01:05:28,467
Very "Put yourself there,
I don't know what, and now you have to do this".

872
01:05:28,508 --> 01:05:31,678
Ready now? All set?
Fantastic. Come on, everybody.

873
01:05:31,970 --> 01:05:35,557
And maybe like a father
to a daughter, right?

874
01:05:35,641 --> 01:05:39,478
Like "let's go help this girl"

875
01:05:39,603 --> 01:05:43,774
To really feel everything
that is going on in the film

876
01:05:44,441 --> 01:05:47,235
and I did not feel hurt

877
01:05:47,319 --> 01:05:51,865
that is, I did not perceive
that I was the victim and he was the executioner

878
01:05:52,115 --> 01:05:55,285
and I believe that we were on an equal footing,

879
01:05:55,452 --> 01:05:58,914
because I was helping him
and he was helping me.

880
01:05:59,581 --> 01:06:02,876
The last memory I have

881
01:06:03,543 --> 01:06:07,130
of Dario Argento on set was

882
01:06:07,881 --> 01:06:10,926
I think we gave each other a hug

883
01:06:15,974 --> 01:06:17,349
I am two Dario Argentos,

884
01:06:17,432 --> 01:06:20,227
There is the normal Dario
Argento in life,

885
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:22,604
then there is another
Dario Argento, the one who instead

886
01:06:22,729 --> 01:06:29,111
has a deep dialogue with himself,
the dialogue with the dark side of him,

887
01:06:29,194 --> 01:06:33,740
who lives these experiences
between the dreamlike and the unreal

888
01:06:33,824 --> 01:06:38,286
and then transmits them to
the spectators. So we are two people.

889
01:06:43,083 --> 01:06:47,671
If you have to describe him,
who is Dario Argento?

890
01:06:47,796 --> 01:06:49,423
Who is Dario Argento?

891
01:06:55,470 --> 01:06:56,638
I don’t know.

892
01:06:57,848 --> 01:07:01,017
I do not know who Dario Argento
is

893
01:07:01,393 --> 01:07:05,147
I'm sorry, but I just don't
know, I don't know how to answer this.

894
01:07:16,158 --> 01:07:19,286
Listen, out of curiosity,
what do you have in your pocket?

895
01:07:20,579 --> 01:07:21,121
What?

896
01:07:21,288 --> 01:07:24,207
I mean if I frisked you right
now, what would I find in your pocket?

897
01:07:24,708 --> 01:07:26,877
- Like a policeman?
- Show me

898
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:32,507
Matches, 10 Lire, two cinema
tickets

899
01:07:32,883 --> 01:07:34,718
One "Monsieur Verdoux

900
01:07:34,926 --> 01:07:37,345
"I watched it recently,
I watched it the day before yesterday.

901
01:07:37,429 --> 01:07:39,765
This here “The Last Tycoon"

902
01:07:41,850 --> 01:07:43,310
A telephone.

903
01:07:50,734 --> 01:07:52,736
A remote control.

904
01:08:03,288 --> 01:08:05,290
A little train.

905
01:08:06,500 --> 01:08:08,293
A penknife, I found it in front.

906
01:08:08,502 --> 01:08:10,086
An elastic band.

907
01:08:10,837 --> 01:08:13,507
A slightly sucked candy, don't
look.

908
01:08:14,382 --> 01:08:16,676
You can hardly see it, a stone.

909
01:08:17,344 --> 01:08:18,762
A glittering

910
01:08:19,554 --> 01:08:21,099
stone.

911
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:25,519
This is a poem that I translated

912
01:08:25,602 --> 01:08:29,481
by John Donne, a 17th century
English poet which is called "Broken Heart".

913
01:08:30,023 --> 01:08:33,568
But above it I put a quote of a
sentence

914
01:08:33,652 --> 01:08:35,570
said by Monsieur Verdoux
Chaplin.

915
01:08:35,654 --> 01:08:37,197
A very nice quote

916
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:40,242
"Despair is the narcotic
that generates indifference among the people".

917
01:08:40,367 --> 01:08:42,285
Think about it for a moment.

918
01:08:43,537 --> 01:08:46,456
For someone like you seeking
isolation

919
01:08:46,540 --> 01:08:50,877
and peace to write in
tranquility away from everyone in hotels

920
01:08:51,127 --> 01:08:55,507
isn't the mobile phone a problem now
that everyone can reach you everywhere?

921
01:08:55,590 --> 01:08:59,469
No, that's not true,
because if I put it on silent mode

922
01:08:59,803 --> 01:09:01,596
no one can reach me.

923
01:09:02,140 --> 01:09:03,557
So...

924
01:09:11,189 --> 01:09:14,484
I once said I believe
that he brought me into the world

925
01:09:14,609 --> 01:09:16,778
to have a protagonist in his
films

926
01:09:17,028 --> 01:09:19,281
after he broke up with my
mother.

927
01:09:19,823 --> 01:09:24,244
Me and my father are very
similar, both mentally and physically.

928
01:09:24,494 --> 01:09:28,623
He, although he almost always
had female leads.

929
01:09:28,999 --> 01:09:33,086
I think he identified
with the main character

930
01:09:33,587 --> 01:09:37,632
and therefore, being myself almost
an extension of my father just because,

931
01:09:37,716 --> 01:09:41,845
we had such a similar childhood,
two very introverted people,

932
01:09:42,220 --> 01:09:46,182
book worms, both Virgos, very
organized.

933
01:09:46,266 --> 01:09:50,729
Then when I became an actress
I connected the dots

934
01:09:50,812 --> 01:09:54,192
I said "Ah here it is,
the perfect protagonist is me".

935
01:09:54,274 --> 01:09:57,152
I mean I'm my father in those
movies!

936
01:10:11,209 --> 01:10:15,503
I spent a long time with Asia

937
01:10:16,046 --> 01:10:19,132
as the main character of my
films.

938
01:10:19,299 --> 01:10:24,220
I know that her way of acting
attracted me,

939
01:10:25,223 --> 01:10:30,894
to pose, to narrate, to tell
her expression,

940
01:10:30,977 --> 01:10:35,148
her face, her smile, her eyes.

941
01:10:35,815 --> 01:10:37,734
She always was

942
01:10:38,193 --> 01:10:40,695
my favourite actress!

943
01:10:42,155 --> 01:10:47,452
That fury, the one
that was in Argento until “Opera"

944
01:10:47,702 --> 01:10:50,705
has faded a bit and changed,
what do you think happened?

945
01:10:50,956 --> 01:10:54,042
What changed
in Dario at the end of the 80s?

946
01:10:54,459 --> 01:10:59,839
First of all, in "Opera"
there’s really been a budget exploit.

947
01:11:00,131 --> 01:11:04,844
Dario also called
an Oscar-winning cinematographer: Ronny Taylor

948
01:11:05,345 --> 01:11:09,808
Those were the days
when Dario imagined a dolly

949
01:11:10,058 --> 01:11:12,894
attached to the ceiling
of the Parma Regio Theater.

950
01:11:13,103 --> 01:11:17,774
Slowly descending with
the a remote-controlled camera

951
01:11:17,983 --> 01:11:20,278
simulating the subjective view
of a crow

952
01:11:20,610 --> 01:11:23,738
These are those things
that took three weeks to build,

953
01:11:23,822 --> 01:11:24,948
with testing and everything

954
01:11:24,990 --> 01:11:27,659
and then didn’t work very well.

955
01:11:28,535 --> 01:11:31,079
They were times when
those things could still be done.

956
01:11:31,204 --> 01:11:36,126
At some point
we started to film in English

957
01:11:36,209 --> 01:11:38,253
choosing an American actor or
actress,

958
01:11:38,294 --> 01:11:40,630
making these international
products

959
01:11:41,589 --> 01:11:44,509
it has stopped working,
they are no longer done.

960
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:49,347
Actually this change after
"Opera",

961
01:11:49,639 --> 01:11:51,933
I link it a little
to my grandfather's death.

962
01:11:52,183 --> 01:11:55,313
An event, the death of grandfather Salvatore,

963
01:11:55,395 --> 01:11:57,522
which I know touched him a lot

964
01:11:58,064 --> 01:12:02,235
and therefore he has changed like
everyone else change, like human beings

965
01:12:02,402 --> 01:12:07,407
and therefore our cinema,
our works are a reflection of who we become.

966
01:12:07,699 --> 01:12:12,746
What happened in my
father's cinema is very natural

967
01:12:12,912 --> 01:12:15,749
and it's a good thing
that he didn't stay still

968
01:12:15,832 --> 01:12:18,501
making the same cinema over and
over again.

969
01:12:18,793 --> 01:12:21,004
A person who always remains the
same,

970
01:12:21,212 --> 01:12:23,131
it means that he hasn't evolved.

971
01:12:23,423 --> 01:12:29,220
My father evolved as a human
being, although he has mellowed over time.

972
01:12:29,387 --> 01:12:33,349
He'd hate to hear that,
but I'm happy for him

973
01:12:35,185 --> 01:12:39,773
The key is television,
television has funded ever since

974
01:12:39,981 --> 01:12:42,233
all Italian cinema.

975
01:12:42,692 --> 01:12:46,029
But it was no longer the old
Italian cinema

976
01:12:46,237 --> 01:12:49,491
because Italian cinema
was made for television,

977
01:12:49,783 --> 01:12:52,077
done with the TV clauses.

978
01:12:52,827 --> 01:12:56,039
Among the clauses, there is also
the one that says that if your film is R-rated,

979
01:12:56,164 --> 01:12:59,125
you must return all the money
we gave you to make it.

980
01:12:59,292 --> 01:13:03,129
Which changed cinema
because the authors were no longer

981
01:13:03,381 --> 01:13:08,134
free to express their true
imagination as they wanted.

982
01:13:10,887 --> 01:13:16,226
Dario always replies "We made
that cinema, then that cinema was transformed".

983
01:13:19,729 --> 01:13:22,400
It's nobody's fault,
it's the market's fault.

984
01:13:22,482 --> 01:13:24,109
At a certain point
there was no more request.

985
01:14:30,925 --> 01:14:32,927
I had the idea for a film.

986
01:14:33,178 --> 01:14:36,681
I have to propose this to Dario
Argento

987
01:14:36,973 --> 01:14:38,808
and it was "Seven".

988
01:14:39,434 --> 01:14:43,104
The one written by me took
shape,

989
01:14:43,481 --> 01:14:46,107
it had been even more
“Americanized”

990
01:14:46,191 --> 01:14:50,111
and then it became the success
it became.

991
01:14:51,696 --> 01:14:53,489
And when I see Dario I always
tell him

992
01:14:53,573 --> 01:14:56,326
"Look, the credit,
you don't know, but the credit is yours!"

993
01:14:58,077 --> 01:15:01,164
At first he was a revolutionary.

994
01:15:01,915 --> 01:15:07,545
He wanted to stand out from
everyone, do better than everyone else.

995
01:15:08,338 --> 01:15:10,882
Then he got into a system.

996
01:15:11,049 --> 01:15:15,470
Earlier his films were produced,
but not only his

997
01:15:15,678 --> 01:15:20,767
all Italian films were produced
to do better than the previous film.

998
01:15:21,559 --> 01:15:25,355
{\an8}By putting in more gore,
more crazy scenes, more madness

999
01:15:25,688 --> 01:15:28,358
all this broke
with the arrival of television.

1000
01:15:31,236 --> 01:15:37,367
"Trauma" marks a turning point
because there is no more art,

1001
01:15:37,535 --> 01:15:39,702
there is no more theatrics

1002
01:15:39,911 --> 01:15:43,581
{\an8}there’s the American world.

1003
01:15:45,583 --> 01:15:48,127
{\an8}"Trauma" was a very difficult
film.

1004
01:15:48,294 --> 01:15:51,881
I wanted to work with my father
from the beginning

1005
01:15:51,965 --> 01:15:56,094
but I started when I was nine
and he called me when I was 16,

1006
01:15:56,302 --> 01:15:59,639
after I had already made
several films

1007
01:15:59,722 --> 01:16:03,059
as an actress, with great
authors.

1008
01:16:03,142 --> 01:16:05,436
And I was like,
"But when is he going to call me?"

1009
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:06,396
And then he did.

1010
01:16:06,729 --> 01:16:09,941
I was terribly afraid of
disappointing him.

1011
01:16:10,024 --> 01:16:12,151
Plus it was a film in English,

1012
01:16:12,235 --> 01:16:15,154
where I had to speak with a
Romanian accent

1013
01:16:15,363 --> 01:16:18,032
and there was the theme of
anorexia.

1014
01:16:18,408 --> 01:16:21,494
My sister Anna suffered from
anorexia,

1015
01:16:21,579 --> 01:16:24,789
so it was a thorny subject.

1016
01:16:25,123 --> 01:16:31,212
I had studied many books and in
those days I didn't know a lot about anorexia,

1017
01:16:31,421 --> 01:16:32,588
in the early 90s.

1018
01:16:32,797 --> 01:16:34,716
It was quite

1019
01:16:36,426 --> 01:16:37,802
painful!

1020
01:16:38,052 --> 01:16:39,387
Also because

1021
01:16:40,263 --> 01:16:46,102
we have never spoke about
this topic with my sister Anna

1022
01:16:46,227 --> 01:16:49,772
that we were making a film
about her.

1023
01:16:49,856 --> 01:16:54,027
Because what was said at
that time was that anorexia comes

1024
01:16:54,193 --> 01:16:57,447
from a girl with an absent
father

1025
01:16:57,739 --> 01:17:02,910
and a mother too present, which is
kinda what the plot of the film speaks about.

1026
01:17:03,077 --> 01:17:08,750
The character of the mother had to be
my mother and I was supposed to be my sister.

1027
01:17:09,751 --> 01:17:11,210
My sister came to watch the
film,

1028
01:17:11,461 --> 01:17:13,963
but there was no speech about
it.

1029
01:17:14,632 --> 01:17:22,138
"Look, this is to help you" we did
a kind of psychodrama, but only with the film.

1030
01:17:22,430 --> 01:17:27,101
It didn't help anyone,
maybe just us at that time

1031
01:17:35,401 --> 01:17:39,155
The memory of
"The Stendhal Syndrome" is not so fresh,

1032
01:17:39,238 --> 01:17:44,160
but between the movies he made with
Asia is the one that touches me the most.

1033
01:17:44,243 --> 01:17:47,872
It's a fabulous film

1034
01:17:48,206 --> 01:17:50,833
and I find the film
to be almost more cerebral

1035
01:17:50,917 --> 01:17:53,961
than "Inferno",
which is maybe his film or is openly.

1036
01:17:58,257 --> 01:18:04,555
“The Stendhal Syndrome" is
my favorite movie we did together.

1037
01:18:04,847 --> 01:18:09,687
I felt a great freedom as
an actress in that character.

1038
01:18:09,977 --> 01:18:12,313
She was a powerful character,

1039
01:18:12,397 --> 01:18:15,608
in fact I remember
that during the shooting filming,

1040
01:18:16,234 --> 01:18:19,737
I felt a bit haunted by this
character.

1041
01:18:20,196 --> 01:18:24,283
And even when the film was
finished, that character stayed with me.

1042
01:18:24,409 --> 01:18:27,705
She wasn't a spirit of light,
she was very dark.

1043
01:18:32,710 --> 01:18:35,169
Come forward, come come.

1044
01:18:35,420 --> 01:18:37,880
Come forward, come, see? Never
stop.

1045
01:18:39,006 --> 01:18:40,800
OK, another one.

1046
01:18:40,883 --> 01:18:44,887
Come down and immediately open.

1047
01:18:47,348 --> 01:18:49,725
Ready? Where are
you looking now, are you looking down?

1048
01:18:49,809 --> 01:18:50,351
No.

1049
01:18:50,726 --> 01:18:51,644
No, I look like that.

1050
01:18:52,437 --> 01:18:53,479
Look at the other look.

1051
01:18:54,397 --> 01:18:57,525
But there were scenes in
“The Stendhal Syndrome" really

1052
01:18:58,276 --> 01:18:59,902
really hard to shoot.

1053
01:19:00,069 --> 01:19:03,656
At that time I didn't have
the courage to tell my father

1054
01:19:03,781 --> 01:19:05,992
"But why do we have to do these
scenes?"

1055
01:19:06,075 --> 01:19:09,370
Because in the end he always
says "Because the movie is like that!

1056
01:19:09,662 --> 01:19:11,998
Oh well, you're my daughter
but you're also the actress,

1057
01:19:12,165 --> 01:19:14,250
we have to do these
scenes, that's how I wrote it!”

1058
01:19:14,459 --> 01:19:16,169
I can't explain

1059
01:19:16,419 --> 01:19:17,170
why

1060
01:19:17,628 --> 01:19:22,633
we shoot these extreme scenes.

1061
01:19:22,717 --> 01:19:25,052
Sure, it's unusual
for a father and daughter

1062
01:19:25,136 --> 01:19:30,224
to make such extreme films,
even from a sexual point of view,

1063
01:19:30,308 --> 01:19:32,602
especially such a young girl
in her twenties.

1064
01:19:33,686 --> 01:19:35,938
{\an8}But our relationship

1065
01:19:37,523 --> 01:19:39,150
{\an8}is kinda grown

1066
01:19:39,317 --> 01:19:40,735
and precisely by the fact that
we went

1067
01:19:40,776 --> 01:19:43,654
into the abyss so deep
into the human psyche together

1068
01:19:43,738 --> 01:19:45,698
and then
we'd come out the other side

1069
01:19:46,407 --> 01:19:47,742
without a scratch

1070
01:19:48,659 --> 01:19:52,705
She is a sensitive girl,
who tried to become a policewoman

1071
01:19:52,790 --> 01:19:55,416
exactly to go against
this strong sensitivity.

1072
01:19:55,833 --> 01:20:00,421
Which inevitably comes out
in front of such beautiful paintings

1073
01:20:00,713 --> 01:20:04,717
and while travelling
she is lost, she is a touristcon.

1074
01:20:05,635 --> 01:20:08,596
She feels unwell and
her oversensitivity comes out.

1075
01:20:09,055 --> 01:20:14,810
Her identity breaks and each
part of her personality comes out.

1076
01:20:15,228 --> 01:20:17,730
She has no control of herself.

1077
01:20:18,314 --> 01:20:20,483
The relationship between
father and daughter is fabulous.

1078
01:20:20,608 --> 01:20:24,028
It must make a lot of women
jealous

1079
01:20:24,111 --> 01:20:31,369
or envious to witness such
a creative, artistic and joyful relationship.

1080
01:20:31,827 --> 01:20:39,835
And yes, they are both fascinating
beings, kind of unbridled, never self-censuring.

1081
01:20:40,503 --> 01:20:44,632
They have their own limits
and their relationship code but

1082
01:20:46,259 --> 01:20:48,427
they make movies in a joyful
atmosphere.

1083
01:20:49,136 --> 01:20:51,764
Of course, there are things
in life that can’t be joyful, but

1084
01:20:52,598 --> 01:20:55,643
they are exactly where
they want to be, and they are proud

1085
01:20:55,726 --> 01:20:58,646
to be where they stand,
and they work their magic.

1086
01:20:58,729 --> 01:21:03,150
Few fathers and daughters

1087
01:21:03,359 --> 01:21:08,322
can brag about having
collaborated together on such ambitious projects

1088
01:21:26,465 --> 01:21:28,843
With her face and... you see...

1089
01:21:28,884 --> 01:21:31,220
And I go "Oooo Mon tresor"

1090
01:21:32,430 --> 01:21:35,141
When we shot that sex scene

1091
01:21:35,766 --> 01:21:37,184
in "The Phantom of the Opera",

1092
01:21:37,435 --> 01:21:40,479
there was a sword of
Damocles hanging on this scene.

1093
01:21:40,563 --> 01:21:43,149
We hadn't talked about it
when we were going to shoot it.

1094
01:21:43,357 --> 01:21:46,611
That day my grandmother Fulvia
was there

1095
01:21:46,694 --> 01:21:49,905
my mother's mother with whom me
and my father were very close,

1096
01:21:49,989 --> 01:21:53,200
came to meet us
in Budapest that very day.

1097
01:21:53,911 --> 01:21:58,998
And my grandmother sat with her chair
facing away, to not to look at the set.

1098
01:21:59,915 --> 01:22:04,253
{\an8}I was embarrassed and
I already had the angel tattoo on the belly,

1099
01:22:04,337 --> 01:22:07,340
they had hidden the tattoo with
make-up

1100
01:22:07,423 --> 01:22:10,760
and my father had complained
to the operator saying

1101
01:22:10,843 --> 01:22:12,553
"Oh well the tattoo is really
big".

1102
01:22:12,678 --> 01:22:16,015
I then cried even more, I felt
humiliated.

1103
01:22:16,599 --> 01:22:19,310
I mean I was losing my virginity
in front of my father.

1104
01:22:19,393 --> 01:22:22,647
It was just the Electra complex
to the nth degree.

1105
01:22:23,064 --> 01:22:26,275
It’s been very tiring.

1106
01:22:26,525 --> 01:22:29,278
Just a day to forget.

1107
01:22:29,403 --> 01:22:31,864
But then when it was over, I
definitely cried,

1108
01:22:31,949 --> 01:22:36,285
my father didn’t cry, but he
was relieved.

1109
01:22:57,932 --> 01:23:01,727
I should have done “The Card Player",
but I was in the United States,

1110
01:23:01,811 --> 01:23:06,399
where the production of my second
film as a director “The Heart is Deceitful”

1111
01:23:06,482 --> 01:23:09,110
started very quickly.

1112
01:23:09,568 --> 01:23:13,489
So I couldn't go back to Italy,
for me it was a unique opportunity

1113
01:23:13,572 --> 01:23:18,452
make my second film as
a director at 27 in the United States.

1114
01:23:18,828 --> 01:23:22,081
My father was very upset

1115
01:23:22,957 --> 01:23:25,710
and then he didn't talk to me
for a couple of years

1116
01:23:26,460 --> 01:23:28,295
for this reason.

1117
01:23:28,504 --> 01:23:32,299
For me it was terrible,
but also for him I think.

1118
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:39,598
And I remember that I contacted
him, when I finished shooting the film,

1119
01:23:40,141 --> 01:23:42,059
to ask him for advice

1120
01:23:42,309 --> 01:23:45,104
but it took a while for our
relationship

1121
01:23:45,187 --> 01:23:47,940
to come back
to how it was before the movie.

1122
01:23:48,025 --> 01:23:50,276
I would say like before I
became a mother

1123
01:23:51,444 --> 01:23:52,111
Argento,

1124
01:23:52,194 --> 01:23:55,072
your vocation is to terrorize
people.

1125
01:23:55,281 --> 01:23:55,823
Yes

1126
01:23:56,949 --> 01:24:01,203
yes, it is a vocation,
but also a personal, cultural predisposition

1127
01:24:01,287 --> 01:24:04,665
perhaps It’s also a constant,
who knows, of my nightmares

1128
01:24:04,749 --> 01:24:07,418
of my dreams, even of my
cultural choices

1129
01:24:07,710 --> 01:24:09,086
But it's complicated.

1130
01:24:09,336 --> 01:24:13,132
I would not even say
that the predisposition is just terrifying

1131
01:24:13,215 --> 01:24:17,845
because terror is a phase
that beginners provoke.

1132
01:24:18,888 --> 01:24:22,183
I'm looking for panic,
which is something more,

1133
01:24:22,725 --> 01:24:24,185
it’s a deeper penetration.

1134
01:24:25,394 --> 01:24:29,482
If we want to compare
panic to terror and fear,

1135
01:24:29,774 --> 01:24:31,901
we can say that fear, for
example,

1136
01:24:31,984 --> 01:24:34,612
it is a feverish state
with a temperature of 100.5.

1137
01:24:34,737 --> 01:24:37,323
Instead panic is 106
degrees temperature, that is delirium.

1138
01:24:37,490 --> 01:24:40,451
Many years ago I said that fear
was

1139
01:24:40,659 --> 01:24:43,829
like having a feverish state
with a temperature of 100.5

1140
01:24:43,913 --> 01:24:46,874
and panic was even higher fever.

1141
01:24:46,999 --> 01:24:50,461
As a joke to explain what panic
is.

1142
01:24:50,836 --> 01:24:55,341
Panic is also something quite
inexplicable

1143
01:24:55,674 --> 01:25:01,347
that takes you to a dimension
you don't know

1144
01:25:02,097 --> 01:25:05,392
that you can't control.

1145
01:25:06,352 --> 01:25:12,066
The only time I've ever seen my father
cry was when my grandfather Salvatore died.

1146
01:25:12,274 --> 01:25:15,361
It was Easter, we went to the
Vatican

1147
01:25:15,569 --> 01:25:18,280
and there was Pope Wojtyla
speaking.

1148
01:25:18,531 --> 01:25:22,117
My father was not religious,
not yet at the time

1149
01:25:22,201 --> 01:25:26,622
and I don't know why he brought
me and my sister Fiore to see the Pope.

1150
01:25:27,122 --> 01:25:29,041
And then, seeing the Pope speak,

1151
01:25:29,126 --> 01:25:33,003
my father bursts into tears
with his hands folded like this

1152
01:25:33,295 --> 01:25:38,133
he asked for forgiveness
"Forgive me, forgive me" and cried.

1153
01:25:40,219 --> 01:25:43,514
And I know that he was speaking
to his father, my grandfather.

1154
01:25:43,597 --> 01:25:50,229
This is still a very strong,
very touching image for me today,

1155
01:25:50,479 --> 01:25:52,815
seeing my father fragile.

1156
01:25:53,023 --> 01:25:55,484
Because he is just a man from
another time,

1157
01:25:55,734 --> 01:25:58,529
he has never shown himself fragile, even today

1158
01:25:59,071 --> 01:26:01,991
He hates to be seen fragile.

1159
01:26:03,284 --> 01:26:05,077
{\an8}Since the moment I first spoke
about the story,

1160
01:26:05,162 --> 01:26:06,579
{\an8}before I even started writing
anything.

1161
01:26:07,079 --> 01:26:09,623
I’ve been thinking about how
Dario would be amazing in the father’s role.

1162
01:26:09,832 --> 01:26:13,043
Maybe because of how familiar
he is to me

1163
01:26:13,711 --> 01:26:16,630
and because of his Italian ways,
how he moves his hands while he is speaking,

1164
01:26:16,714 --> 01:26:17,840
it reminded me of my own father.

1165
01:26:17,923 --> 01:26:21,135
I remembered him during
his presentation of his films to the public,

1166
01:26:21,176 --> 01:26:23,012
when he introduced "Phantom of
the Opera",

1167
01:26:23,095 --> 01:26:25,472
the guy is on stage
and for an hour straight,

1168
01:26:25,556 --> 01:26:26,724
he can’t stop talking

1169
01:26:26,807 --> 01:26:29,518
and people are clapping as if
they were watching the movie itself.

1170
01:26:29,602 --> 01:26:31,312
He’s so much more charismatic

1171
01:26:31,395 --> 01:26:33,981
than most comedians
I know in France or elsewhere.

1172
01:26:34,191 --> 01:26:36,150
I thought "Hey, he’d be perfect"

1173
01:26:36,191 --> 01:26:38,027
Even better than the actor

1174
01:26:38,195 --> 01:26:43,032
who played "Umberto D." in De
Sica’s movie

1175
01:26:48,579 --> 01:26:50,372
Do you know why I make cinema?

1176
01:26:50,998 --> 01:26:54,043
Why doing it, why?
I know why, I absolutely know.

1177
01:26:54,293 --> 01:26:56,879
I do what I do because I want
to be loved!

1178
01:27:25,908 --> 01:27:27,368
The car arrives at four o'clock

1179
01:27:27,660 --> 01:27:28,744
Okay, let's go

1180
01:27:35,876 --> 01:27:37,419
May I accompany you, Maestro?

1181
01:27:37,836 --> 01:27:38,754
Thank you.

1182
01:28:33,726 --> 01:28:35,394
He's someone who makes you want
to live,

1183
01:28:35,561 --> 01:28:38,397
someone who makes
you want to have a family.

1184
01:28:38,731 --> 01:28:40,649
Someone who makes you want to
make movies

1185
01:28:40,733 --> 01:28:44,528
and someone who makes you want
to watch other people’s movies.

1186
01:28:45,446 --> 01:28:48,198
When I asked him to be in the
movie,

1187
01:28:48,407 --> 01:28:50,993
he said “Why are you proposing this to me?”

1188
01:28:51,076 --> 01:28:53,078
"I’m young, can’t you see?",
and I replied

1189
01:28:53,162 --> 01:28:56,623
“I do, but, we can lie,
make you look older, etc."

1190
01:28:56,957 --> 01:29:00,335
It’s true, he’s an eternal
teenager

1191
01:29:00,419 --> 01:29:05,966
with the cinematographic
intelligence of an adult director.

1192
01:29:06,216 --> 01:29:09,011
However, his behavior is that
of an everlasting teenager.

1193
01:29:09,553 --> 01:29:13,223
Various directors
are trained on his films,

1194
01:29:13,557 --> 01:29:16,143
one of these, for example, is
Tim Burton

1195
01:29:16,477 --> 01:29:20,357
who came to Rome
and asked to meet Dario Argento.

1196
01:29:20,564 --> 01:29:23,025
What did the two do?
Did they talk?

1197
01:29:23,108 --> 01:29:23,650
No!

1198
01:29:23,734 --> 01:29:29,281
Because they both knew to
be ordinary people in real life.

1199
01:29:31,368 --> 01:29:33,160
Well Tim Burton

1200
01:29:33,535 --> 01:29:34,870
is Tim Burton...

1201
01:29:34,995 --> 01:29:42,920
that is, a badly dressed man
with awful shoes, with a black ugly coat,

1202
01:29:43,337 --> 01:29:46,715
with big teeth forward, a bit
long hair.

1203
01:29:47,091 --> 01:29:49,718
We know Dario Argento

1204
01:29:49,843 --> 01:29:55,849
and instead they know very well
that they transform when they do their job.

1205
01:30:14,284 --> 01:30:19,416
If you know De Palma, Carpenter,
they seems like two normal gentlemen.

1206
01:30:19,540 --> 01:30:22,376
No, Dario is Dario Argento,
he has no equal.

1207
01:30:22,668 --> 01:30:24,962
Because Dario Argento is fear!

1208
01:30:25,422 --> 01:30:30,801
I still remember New York
at the time of "Inferno",

1209
01:30:31,176 --> 01:30:32,928
"Alien" just came out.

1210
01:30:33,428 --> 01:30:36,515
Dario and I went to see "Alien",

1211
01:30:36,640 --> 01:30:42,521
we were so scared that
we had our legs over the seat.

1212
01:30:42,855 --> 01:30:44,690
I remember this like it was
yesterday.

1213
01:30:44,982 --> 01:30:49,570
{\an8}He was someone who was
happy in our company, he liked to joke.

1214
01:30:49,862 --> 01:30:51,155
{\an8}He had a sense of humor,

1215
01:30:51,405 --> 01:30:53,657
he had a sense of humor!

1216
01:30:53,907 --> 01:30:57,161
People can’t believe it,
but yes he does have it!

1217
01:30:57,244 --> 01:31:01,206
One thing is the movies
you make, one thing is how you are, right?

1218
01:31:01,373 --> 01:31:04,710
He has luckily never felt
like a star,

1219
01:31:04,793 --> 01:31:08,255
because in this way
he remained a very concrete person

1220
01:31:08,505 --> 01:31:10,549
Dario Argento is Dario Argento

1221
01:31:10,841 --> 01:31:11,967
he is like Andy Warhol

1222
01:31:12,092 --> 01:31:13,927
he paints you a painting,
it's an Andy Warhol painting!

1223
01:31:14,136 --> 01:31:15,804
And therefore a great artist!

1224
01:31:16,388 --> 01:31:20,434
Many young people know
his films, they discover and love them

1225
01:31:20,559 --> 01:31:24,855
but many others only know that
"he's the scary one!"

1226
01:31:25,022 --> 01:31:27,399
They talk and say
"But who is this Dario Argento?"

1227
01:31:27,484 --> 01:31:30,319
He’s the one who did
"The Exorcist", didn't you watch it?

1228
01:31:30,652 --> 01:31:32,863
That is, they universalized it.

1229
01:31:32,946 --> 01:31:35,365
Dario is now fear himself!

1230
01:31:36,366 --> 01:31:39,828
When I won the David di
Donatello, I was 18 years old.

1231
01:31:40,204 --> 01:31:42,206
I returned home with this prize

1232
01:31:42,499 --> 01:31:47,169
and my father who, in short, he is one
of the greatest Italian directors of all time,

1233
01:31:47,252 --> 01:31:50,464
he had never been nominated,
he had never won.

1234
01:31:50,505 --> 01:31:53,634
Then he won it later
as a lifetime achievement award.

1235
01:31:54,092 --> 01:31:57,721
I went home, we looked at each
other

1236
01:31:57,804 --> 01:32:00,682
and he told me "Oh
well, sticazzi!” (“Who cares”)

1237
01:32:00,891 --> 01:32:04,603
This thing frees me a lot
because

1238
01:32:06,480 --> 01:32:09,733
in fact sticazzi,
because who cares about the prizes!

1239
01:32:09,942 --> 01:32:12,361
This was the important lesson.

1240
01:32:12,529 --> 01:32:17,115
It's not the rewards,
it's the work. Work is the most important thing.

1241
01:32:17,199 --> 01:32:19,618
The real prize
is being able to make a film

1242
01:32:19,910 --> 01:32:21,453
It's like a miracle

1243
01:32:21,745 --> 01:32:24,414
to be able to make films,
today more than ever!

1244
01:32:26,375 --> 01:32:28,085
My dreams

1245
01:32:28,669 --> 01:32:31,713
they've changed, they've...

1246
01:32:33,590 --> 01:32:36,510
they changed because I changed.

1247
01:32:39,096 --> 01:32:42,307
I think that

1248
01:32:43,141 --> 01:32:47,688
I will continue to explore

1249
01:32:48,480 --> 01:32:51,984
my depths

1250
01:32:53,068 --> 01:32:54,903
my dark half

1251
01:32:56,154 --> 01:32:58,448
my dark half that is

1252
01:32:59,283 --> 01:33:01,994
in reality

1253
01:33:04,204 --> 01:33:05,289
the true

1254
01:33:05,914 --> 01:33:11,086
the true reason
why I do cinema in this way

1255
01:33:30,814 --> 01:33:33,734
Implacable death exists

1256
01:33:33,817 --> 01:33:35,485
and you can't escape,

1257
01:33:35,652 --> 01:33:38,488
but I don't think about it.

1258
01:34:32,042 --> 01:34:35,045
Yes, you made me talk
for almost two hours!

1259
01:34:37,297 --> 01:34:41,551
- Three quarters of an hour
- No, no, no, it's 11!

1260
01:34:42,135 --> 01:34:45,180
Yes, it was 10. An hour, an
hour!